Why are speedruns even allowed?

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llama47

So 1 game out of 1000 is a mismatch, so what? And most people are happy to play a famous GM.

sndeww
CooloutAC wrote:

Looking at the comment section of people who support them?  Meanwhile Threads like mine get deleted.  I rehashed the OP of this very thread cause it is an exception that it was allowed. 

Because the fact is there is nothing sporting about Michael Jordan dominating some junior highschool kid in the park in basketball.  and the same can be applied to this sport where a a master rated 2000 rated player is rage quitting someone under 800.  Nothing competitive about that.  

You keep trying to claim you aren't saying chess is not a sport, whole not saying it is.  You consider yourself "neutral".    You wedged yourself between a rock and hardplace now and its kind of hilarious to watch.  But regardless,  the fact you can't say you consider it a sport,  is justification to defend non sportlike  behavior,  period.

Keep throwing out your unrelated red herrings bud.  Again,  its too late to save face.

There is a difference between Michael Jordan dominating a highschooler in basketball and Michael Jordan dominating a highschooler in basketball while explaining to the onlookers exactly how he's dominating said highschooler.

I once heard that if you repeat the same thing over and over again it seems to lose its meaning. Try saying your name over and over again for about five minutes, it'll get hard to keep doing so. So I suspect that since you keep claiming that I'm a chess-is-not-a-sport advocate without quoting anything i said, that, too will lose meaning. You appear to be convinced that any opinion other than "chess is definitely a sport" is a laughable stance... despite the literal definition of sport having a physical requirement... 

clearly you have not done much "standing in other people's shoes", as the saying goes, much less walked a mile.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:

So 1 game out of 1000 is a mismatch, so what? And most people are happy to play a famous GM.

 They don't even know they are playing him.   And that famous GM is encouraging everyone who watches to try and imitate him.  He is basically leading by example.

Furthermore if someone like HIkaru felt entitled to dominate people and laugh at them ragequitting in real life,  it would kill the sport fast.  Think about Michael Jordan,  slame dunking on little kids on the basketball court and going haha look at him rage.  You think they will look up to and respect him?   Maybe the people watching on the sidelines who consider it just entertainment would.   But noone who considers it a sport would think that is sporting.  He would less respect,  the sport would lose respect and it would be less popular because of it.

You can google famous basketball players going 1 on 1 with kids at basketball camps. It's a fun time for everyone. Seems like you're feeling angry, and choosing this as a topic to vent your anger on, even though speedruns have nothing to do with why you're angry in the first place (it seems this way because a lot of what you say doesn't make sense).

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:

all it does is teaches people chess is all about the rating and alt accounts are ok

That doesn't make sense. You're being irrational.

nTzT
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

all it does is teaches people chess is all about the rating and alt accounts are ok

That doesn't make sense. You're being irrational.

The guy is a reminder that things aren't so bright at the bottom of the bell curve

llama47

I don't want to make fun of him. In other online games smurfing is very negative. If he's new to chess then it's probably a shock that popular players stream themselves doing it and it's condoned by the major chess sites.

Just a reminder though that rating points are refunded, and the account is labeled as a speed running account.

nTzT

Well, after his rambling in this thread I've lost hope for him. I mostly have played other games at a higher level and know that smurfing isn't healthy for games, but he is using it as an excuse here and pretending it's why he is where he is. That and sandbagging and all sorts of nonsense.

athlblue

@cooloutAC bro just get gud. then you wont have to complain about smurfs.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

all it does is teaches people chess is all about the rating and alt accounts are ok

That doesn't make sense. You're being irrational.

 

speedrunning is literally about the rating climb.  

Part of why it's fun to watch is when you see GM vs GM it's... basically impossible to relate to it. You don't understand the game and you can't put yourself in the shoes of either player.

But when it's GM vs 1200, then all the 1200s watching can get excited because they'll understand the position and can put themselves in the place of the player.

Anyway, it's not about a rating climb at all.

llama47

False dichotomy. You're trying to argue that games are either entertaining or unwatchable.

My statement had nothing to do with sportsmanship. You made a claim about why people watch, and I countered with a different way of looking at it.

Pick any medium of entertainment you like, and the definition of it will not explain why it's entertaining. A better (but still hysterical) argument would have been to say that viewers watch for the schadenfreude, enjoying the unsuspecting player's misfortune and misery.

llama47

You seem immune to context and just want to rant.

As for chess as a sport, people have been debating that for years, including here on the forums. I think it's a pretty silly topic. My answer is "a rose by any other name." In other words, its nature is independent of its classification. Competitive chess, like classical sports, embody certain parts of the human experience, such as dedication, self improvement, sacrifice, risk, reward, hopes, fears, triumph, and failure.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:

But its also why i said Hikaru gets excited and points out and laughs when someone rage quits his speedrun matches. 

Naka is a turd. I'm with you on that.

I don't even watch his stuff, so I don't know, but I can imagine him doing this.

llama47

I didn't say it wasn't a sport... lacking both context and subtlety you'd probably enjoy arguing about politics. Try checking out this popular club https://www.chess.com/club/the-ideas-room

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:

I didn't say it wasn't a sport

You never said it is.

There's the dichotomy-like thinking again.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:

Hikaru acts that way,  because thats what his fans like to see

No, he was an unlikable a**hole even as a kid, as a teen, as a young adult, etc. Nothing has changed.

In fact I'd say if anything, he's made an effort to hide the fact that's he's thoroughly unlikable.

 

CooloutAC wrote:

Hikaru acts that way,  because thats what his fans like to see which you denied

I never even addressed Hikaru's motivations, much less denied this specific explanation of them.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:

I didn't say it wasn't a sport

You never said it is.

There's the dichotomy-like thinking again.

When you fail to retort my points, I'm forced to accept your concession.    You don't believe chess is a sport,  which is why you think speedruns are sporting.  When in actuality they encourage poor sportsmanship.

Yep, I've stopped addressing your points on purpose... because I don't think you can have a serious discussion tongue.png

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:

He is the most popular chess figure on the planet.  What does that say to you?

GothamChess has more subscribers on YouTube.

And sure, chess is mostly little kids and retirees... which is part of what makes the community annoying to me.

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
llama47 wrote:

I didn't say it wasn't a sport

You never said it is.

There's the dichotomy-like thinking again.

When you fail to retort my points, I'm forced to accept your concession.    You don't believe chess is a sport,  which is why you think speedruns are sporting.  When in actuality they encourage poor sportsmanship.

Yep, I've stopped addressing your points on purpose... because I don't think you can have a serious discussion

 

you simply concede and noone is fooled.

Again, this method of arguing would work really well in that "ideas room" club I linked earlier... if you're like me, you post here because you're bored, and that club would probably really help alleviate your boredom happy.png

llama47
CooloutAC wrote:

I'd rather have this discussion out in public for the benefit of the whole community

Meh, the "whole community" isn't that big. I'd say popular clubs rival or surpass the public forums in terms of number of eyeballs.

In any case, not this discussion in that club, political ones, religious ones, arguments like that.

llama47

I mean... ok, the off topic forums probably have more eyeballs, but I don't really count 10 year olds drooling on their keyboards while the family cat randomly hits "post" for them.