Why are there so few women GMs?

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RedSoxpawn
This is almost as fruity as the most beautiful chess player forum, but it has a little bit of a better reason to be here
Redserpent2000
baby wrote:

What you are talking about is really what I am going to study in my project. I am a postgraduate student of Applied Psychological Research. In fact, another points I am interested in are whether marriage affects the performance of chess players and whether there are differences in its effects towards male and female respectively.

Does anyone know how to get the marital details of chess players????Help!!!!!!!


Hi mate, the onlly thing I can do to help you out here is to say that my wife lets me play chess anytime I like, she's busy doing knitting, crochet, beading etc. All the craft stuff that she does is creative, whereas I just like to be creative on the chessboard (given the oppotuity)!

Red

ps, we don't have any kids to worry about so we pretty much just do our own things. Hope this helps.

As for the lack of WGM's a study once showed that in genaral girls mature faster than boys. Maybe most of the women are adults and us men are still in adolesence! Cry

jabez_ariel

This topic will go on and on. Just think of it this way! Most boys, guys, and men like playing games that involves war, and strategy and most girls, ladies, women don't.

 

p.s. I said 'most' not 'all' 


HalfSigma
jabez_ariel wrote:

Most boys, guys, and men like playing games that involves war, and strategy and most girls, ladies, women don't.


 Right, because of biological differences in male and female brains.


HalfSigma
last_file wrote:

Chess sets are, for the most part, either androgynous or marketed towards men.   


You have your cause and effect reversed. You seem to be saying that the reason that girls don't play chess is because of lack of themed chess sets with girly themes.

 

Themed chess sets are marketed primarily towards boys or men BECAUSE mostly boys or men play chess. The goal of chess set manufactures is to make money by manufacturing products that someone wants to buy.

 

 


HowDoesTheHorseMove
last_file wrote:

I'm not saying or even implying that more girls would start playing chess because of the new Grandmaster Barbie.  They would play more chess if it was encouraged by loved ones.


Now there's a terrifying thought. (GM Barbie, not encouraging girls to play chess.)


watcha
  Name Rating Country W-Title Title
1 Arakhamia-Grant, Ketevan 2388 SCO WGM GM
2 Chiburdanidze, Maia 2500 GEO WGM GM
3 Cmilyte, Viktorija 2514 LTU WGM GM
4 Cramling, Pia 2525 SWE   GM
5 Danielian, Elina 2462 ARM WGM GM
6 Dzagnidze, Nana 2557 GEO WGM GM
7 Gaprindashvili, Nona 2304 GEO WIM GM
8 Gunina, Valentina 2509 RUS WGM GM
9 Harika, Dronavalli 2487 IND WGM GM
10 Hoang, Thanh Trang 2507 HUN WGM GM
11 Hou, Yifan 2629 CHN WGM GM
12 Koneru, Humpy 2607 IND WGM GM
13 Kosintseva, Nadezhda 2513 RUS WGM GM
14 Kosintseva, Tatiana 2496 RUS WGM GM
15 Kosteniuk, Alexandra 2527 RUS WGM GM
16 Lagno, Kateryna 2543 UKR WGM GM
17 Muzychuk, Anna 2566 SLO WGM GM
18 Peng, Zhaoqin 2369 NED WGM GM
19 Polgar, Judit 2693 HUN   GM
20 Polgar, Zsuzsa 2577 USA WIM GM
21 Sebag, Marie 2501 FRA WGM GM
22 Socko, Monika 2440 POL WGM GM
23 Stefanova, Antoaneta 2486 BUL   GM
24 Ushenina, Anna 2501 UKR WGM GM
25 Xie, Jun 2574 CHN WIM GM
26 Xu, Yuhua 2465 CHN WGM GM
27 Zhao, Xue 2568 CHN WGM GM
28 Zhu, Chen 2479 QAT   GM
29 Zhukova, Natalia 2449 UKR WGM GM
watcha
billwall wrote:

You might want to see my article on women (and girls) in chess and why women may not be as good as men in chess.  Theoretically, there should be no difference.

The 11 women with the men’s Grandmaster (GM or IGM) title include Nona Gaprindashvili, Maia Chiburdanidze, Judit Polgar, Xie Jun, Zsuzsa Polgar, Pia Cramling, Zhy Chen, Antoaneta Stefanova, Humpy Koneru, Alexandra Kosteniuk, and Zhaoqin Peng.  There are about 200 Woman Grandmasters (WGM).

 

This thread was opened 7 years ago. By then there were 11 women grandmasters according to the quoted post.

As of today according to the Fide players list there are 29 women grandmasters.

In seven years the number of women grandmasters almost tripled. Seven years is a very short period of time historically.

There is no question that there are biological ( like spatial reasoning ) and social factors ( like the supposed role of women in society ) playing a part in the question of women strength in chess. The only question is which factor is the stronger. I tend to think that the social factor is stronger ( since it is impossible that in seven years women got three times better biologically ). Biological factors can change only very slowly with time ( 'evolution' ) but social factors can change rapidly ( 'revolution' ).

calze6

dat necro

Ziggy_Kalashnikov

A major difference is testosterone.  Smile  We males feel a constant need to prove ourselves, to tear down the egos of others and place ours above (deny it if you want, but deep down you know it's true).  Chess is really a vicious game; a successful player is one who knows how to crush his opponent without mercy.  Females don't always feel the need to compete like this.  IMO.

watcha
calze6 wrote:

dat necro

This is the definition of necroposting:

On a message board, posting something irrelevant on a really old topic to bring it to the top of the list topics. name comes from the fact that you are bringing it back from the dead, thus Necro.

Since the fact that the number of women grandmasters almost tripled in 7 years is not irrelevant to the topic, I don't view my activity as necroposting.

Rational_Optimist
watcha wrote:
billwall wrote:

You might want to see my article on women (and girls) in chess and why women may not be as good as men in chess.  Theoretically, there should be no difference.

The 11 women with the men’s Grandmaster (GM or IGM) title include Nona Gaprindashvili, Maia Chiburdanidze, Judit Polgar, Xie Jun, Zsuzsa Polgar, Pia Cramling, Zhy Chen, Antoaneta Stefanova, Humpy Koneru, Alexandra Kosteniuk, and Zhaoqin Peng.  There are about 200 Woman Grandmasters (WGM).

 

This thread was opened 7 years ago. By then there were 11 women grandmasters according to the quoted post.

As of today according to the Fide players list there are 29 women grandmasters.

In seven years the number of women grandmasters almost tripled. Seven years is a very short period of time historically.

There is no question that there are biological ( like spatial reasoning ) and social factors ( like the supposed role of women in society ) playing a part in the question of women strength in chess. The only question is which factor is the stronger. I tend to think that the social factor is stronger ( since it is impossible that in seven years women got three times better biologically ). Biological factors can change only very slowly with time ( 'evolution' ) but social factors can change rapidly ( 'revolution' ).

are we talking about 29 WGMs or GMs? 

Ziggy_Kalashnikov

@tesla: we're talking about 29 GMs.  (See Watcha's post #69 above, table included.)

watcha

Women holding the unrestricted grandmaster title ( GM ):

 

Name

Rating

Country

W-Title

Title

 

Arakhamia-Grant, Ketevan

2388

SCO

WGM

GM

 

Chiburdanidze, Maia

2500

GEO

WGM

GM

 

Cmilyte, Viktorija

2514

LTU

WGM

GM

 

Cramling, Pia

2525

SWE

 

GM

 

Danielian, Elina

2462

ARM

WGM

GM

 

Dzagnidze, Nana

2557

GEO

WGM

GM

 

Gaprindashvili, Nona

2304

GEO

WIM

GM

 

Gunina, Valentina

2509

RUS

WGM

GM

 

Harika, Dronavalli

2487

IND

WGM

GM

 

Hoang, Thanh Trang

2507

HUN

WGM

GM

 

Hou, Yifan

2629

CHN

WGM

GM

 

Koneru, Humpy

2607

IND

WGM

GM

 

Kosintseva, Nadezhda

2513

RUS

WGM

GM

 

Kosintseva, Tatiana

2496

RUS

WGM

GM

 

Kosteniuk, Alexandra

2527

RUS

WGM

GM

 

Lagno, Kateryna

2543

UKR

WGM

GM

 

Muzychuk, Anna

2566

SLO

WGM

GM

 

Peng, Zhaoqin

2369

NED

WGM

GM

 

Polgar, Judit

2693

HUN

 

GM

 

Polgar, Zsuzsa

2577

USA

WIM

GM

 

Sebag, Marie

2501

FRA

WGM

GM

 

Socko, Monika

2440

POL

WGM

GM

 

Stefanova, Antoaneta

2486

BUL

 

GM

 

Ushenina, Anna

2501

UKR

WGM

GM

 

Xie, Jun

2574

CHN

WIM

GM

 

Xu, Yuhua

2465

CHN

WGM

GM

 

Zhao, Xue

2568

CHN

WGM

GM

 

Zhu, Chen

2479

QAT

 

GM

 

Zhukova, Natalia

2449

UKR

WGM

GM

New woman GM:

Krush, Irina 2499 USA WGM GM
revengeofthepawns

The simple answer is that there aren't as many women that play chess as men.