Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?

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The_Ghostess_Lola

Okay. Let's go back in time like Marty Mick Fly. If there were NO castling in chess, and I said "Hey everyone, what if we did this w/ the K & R ?....you know, swing each over so they look like this !"

You'd freak out, wouldn't you !

Well, you're doing the same thing w/ uncastling right now.

See what's happening to your imagination ?....you're letting it be rulebook controlled w/ a one-off move that totally defies the basics of chess play.

cnj513

So petition to have the rules changed. Until then, YOU WILL OBEY THE RULES. YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD.

The_Ghostess_Lola

In Article 3.8a, it says "along the player's first rank".

This is in response to Tim Krabbe's proposal about promotion of pawn to Rook & how FIDE wasn't clear w/ regard to rank & file

This, my friends & foes, is how rule letter gets amended. And as well they should be....for your sake & mine. 

The_Ghostess_Lola
cnj513 wrote:

So petition to have the rules changed. Until then, YOU WILL OBEY THE RULES. YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD.

Hilarious....u kill me !

uri65

Stalemate needs to be abolished... - some of you might remember this 80-page long trolling thread. I find it quite amusing  that 2 different trolls apply same tricks: obvious lies, claiming that existing rules are not logical and explaining them to kids is complicated, personal attacks, trivial logical fallacies.

Is this thread capable of going fo 80 pages? Let's see...

The_Ghostess_Lola

Probably not w/out me. And I'm running outta energy. Basically, I need a fellow associate.

***Accepting Applications***

cnj513

I'll just bet you are.

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It puts the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it's told... and why can't I uncastle?

Sha-Doh
I imagine there is no answer to your question.. aside from changing the rules of the game altogether.
Also, no is telling you that you have to castle in your own personal games.. sometimes it's better not too but usually it's a good idea to get your king out of the middle and away from the line of fire.
Bradyrules

it would be interesting if you could castle with all pieces except pawns. this game could be called Castle Chess. Hmmmmmmmm......................... perhaps with being able to castle more than once

The_Ghostess_Lola
Sha-Doh wrote:
I imagine there is no answer to your question.. aside from changing the rules of the game altogether.
Also, no is telling you that you have to castle in your own personal games.. sometimes it's better not too but usually it's a good idea to get your king out of the middle and away from the line of fire.

I like that ! You're right....castling is an option. As decoupling would be too.

JonWB81
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Probably not w/out me. And I'm running outta energy. Basically, I need a fellow associate.

***Accepting Applications***

I have probably agreed with your idea more than anyone but you have ignored my posts.  I refuse to work for anyone who would accept me as an associate.

The_Ghostess_Lola

I think u may be stuck somewhere in the '90's cnj. U & M&P should get 2gether & watch old shows & talk about what once was....all those years ago.

The_Ghostess_Lola
JonWB81 wrote:
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Probably not w/out me. And I'm running outta energy. Basically, I need a fellow associate.

***Accepting Applications***

I have probably agreed with your idea more than anyone but you have ignored my posts.  I refuse to work for anyone who would accept me as an associate.

I remember you Jon....Embarassed....we could be equals & opposites....Smile.... 

But you hafta be fully committed to the cause & I'm not yet convinced. It takes someone who's shamelessly imaginative, impulsively emotional to a fault, & believes that one's freewill will never go away.

Can you be that one person I'm looking for to carry this thread's flame ?

....and you gotta have fight....I mean, fight fight....like in cross between a badger & a mongoose type a fight.

And tho' pay isn't very good, the benefits make it worth it !

JonWB81

I prefer gerbils and monkeys.

The_Ghostess_Lola
Bradyrules wrote:

it would be interesting if you could castle with all pieces except pawns. this game could be called Castle Chess. Hmmmmmmmm......................... perhaps with being able to castle more than once

....too far.

Bradyrules

I'm sure thats what was said when 960 was created

The_Ghostess_Lola
Bradyrules wrote:

I'm sure thats what was said when 960 was created

Yes, but I would still hold disagreement w/ Bronstein's 960 as uncoupling a castle move is said to be not legal there either. Tho' I find the variants of castling pretty cool Smile .

the_johnjohn

The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

Nowhere in FIDE does it say a player cannot uncastle. It only says that you can't castle after you've moved your King & matching Rook & other stuff (like castling thru check, etc,). 

There are no rules written for Uncastling & they are not discussed in the FIDE Rulebook. Uncastling your King & Rook after castling doesn't break the law for castling 'cuz castling & uncastling are separate, distinct, & independent moves....and should be considered as such ! IOW's, Uncastling is not castling and therfore does not fall under the rules as stated below.

So. The next question is why isn't uncastling considered a move ? It hasn't been defined by FIDE as an illegal move, right ? They state that pawns are the only "pieces" that can't move back from whence they originated. Kings & rooks can. Why can't the combination "castle" move of K + R go back ?   

FIDE Laws of Chess

Article 3

The Moves of the Pieces

3.8 a. There are two different ways of moving the king: by moving to any adjoining square not attacked by one or more of the opponent’s pieces or by ‘castling’. This is a move of the king and either rook of the same colour along the player’s first rank, counting as a single move of the king and executed as follows: the king is transferred from its original square two squares towards the rook on its original square, then that rook is transferred to the square the king has just crossed. Before white kingside castling After white kingside castling Before black queenside castling After black queenside castling Before white queenside castling After white queenside castling Before black kingside castling After black kingside castling 7 b. (1) The right to castle has been lost: [a] if the king has already moved, or [b] with a rook that has already moved. (2) Castling is prevented temporarily: [a] if the square on which the king stands, or the square which it must cross, or the square which it is to occupy, is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, or [b] if there is any piece between the king and the rook with which castling is to be effected. 3.9 The king is said to be 'in check' if it is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, even if such pieces are constrained from moving to that square because they would then leave or place their own king in check. No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check.

Article 4

The act of moving the pieces

4.1 Each move must be made with one hand only. 4.2 Provided that he first expresses his intention (for example by saying „j’adoube“ or “I adjust”), the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares. 4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard: a. one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched which can be moved b. one or more of his opponent’s pieces, he must capture the first piece touched which can be captured c. one piece of each colour, he must capture the opponent’s piece with his piece or, if this is illegal, move or capture the first piece touched which can be moved or captured. If it is unclear, whether the player’s own piece or his opponent’s was touched first, the player’s own piece shall be considered to have been touched before his opponent’s. 4.4 If a player having the move: a. deliberately touches his king and rook he must castle on that side if it is legal to do so b. deliberately touches a rook and then his king he is not allowed to castle on that side on that move and the situation shall be governed by Article 4.3.a c. intending to castle, touches the king or king and rook at the same time, but castling on that side is illegal, the player must make another legal move with his king (which may include castling on the other side). If the king has no legal move, the player is free to make any legal move d. promotes a pawn, the choice of the piece is finalised, when the piece has touched the square of promotion. 8 4.5 If none of the pieces touched can be moved or captured, the player may make any legal move. 4.6 When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot be moved to another square on this move. The move is then considered to have been made: a. in the case of a capture, when the captured piece has been removed from the chessboard and the player, having placed his own piece on its new square, has released this capturing piece from his hand b. in the case of castling, when the player's hand has released the rook on the square previously crossed by the king. When the player has released the king from his hand, the move is not yet made, but the player no longer has the right to make any move other than castling on that side, if this is legal....

You got too much spare time. Go do something useful and stop posting nonsense.

Barry_Helafonte2

i think that once you castle, then it is final move

and you can't do it anymore

that is part of the game

it is the same reason why you can't return losing lottery tickets and ask for a full refund because they did not win

The_Ghostess_Lola

(#352) You got too much spare time. Go do something useful and stop posting nonsense.

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Why don't u go order up some Rx on the web & have them deliver it to the gym ?....they're called chill pills. Sadly, U'll probably never take enufa the dosage. U hafta read to do that.

....seeings that ur pumping up ur poor body w/ ulgyroids anywayz.