3.10 b. A move is illegal when it fails to meet the relevant requirements of Articles 3.1 – 3.9.
Uncastle fits this and hence is illegal.
Why Can't I Uncastle a Castle ?
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Jan 9, 2017
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#63
ModestAndPolite wrote:
The Trolls are getting cleverer. Some day, would one of them explain to me just what feeble pleasure they get from starting useless arguments, then keeping them going after they have been done to death.
I've long hypothesized that they simply do not have anything else going on in their lives, and so creating arguments simply to argue becomes a reason to get up in the morning. Since they know their argument is without logic or worth, they know anyone who engages with them is stuck in a mire. It's like arguing with a two year old. They ignore (or do not understand) reasonable arguments, knowing that as long as they say "Why?" they can keep the conversation going.
With two year olds, you have to persevere. Trolls simply should not be fed.
Jan 9, 2017
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#64
uri65 wrote:
3.10 b. A move is illegal when it fails to meet the relevant requirements of Articles 3.1 – 3.9.
Uncastle fits 3.10b and hence is illegal.
3.10b is not the argument. The argument is most closely related to jengy's. Is the move illegal per the requirements of 3.8a ?
I'm holding the stance that the law is "not judiciously clear". I find it somewhat implictly clear tho' highly questionable @ this point.
@The_Ghostess_Lola
There is nothing stopping you from declaring a new variant of chess in which uncastling is allowed. Good luck finding anyone to play it with you.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
uri65 wrote:
3.10 b. A move is illegal when it fails to meet the relevant requirements of Articles 3.1 – 3.9.
Uncastle fits 3.10b and hence is illegal.
3.10b is not the argument. The argument is most closely related to jengy's. Is the move illegal per the requirements of 3.8a ?
I'm holding the stance that the law is "not judiciously clear". I find it somewhat implictly clear tho' highly questionable @ this point.
3.8 a. by moving to an adjoining square - this has nothing to do with castling or uncastling
recklass wrote:
ModestAndPolite wrote:
The Trolls are getting cleverer. Some day, would one of them explain to me just what feeble pleasure they get from starting useless arguments, then keeping them going after they have been done to death.
I've long hypothesized that they simply do not have anything else going on in their lives, and so creating arguments simply to argue becomes a reason to get up in the morning. Since they know their argument is without logic or worth, they know anyone who engages with them is stuck in a mire. It's like arguing with a two year old. They ignore (or do not understand) reasonable arguments, knowing that as long as they say "Why?" they can keep the conversation going.
With two year olds, you have to persevere. Trolls simply should not be fed.
Thank you. All is now clear.
Jan 9, 2017
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#69
The Law of Chess is not being reinvented here. It is being challenged.
I invite anyone to find a resource that says someone tried to uncastle in tournament play & was denied by the TD 'cuza this this & this.
Also, I ask for anyone to get a finding as per FIDE that says their rules board have had this brought to their attention & reviewed it as such....w/ their conclusive remarks.
Jan 9, 2017
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#70
Not so fast M&P. I want u & everyone to read 3.8a without prejudice....if you can separate yourself from your chessgame past. That in & of itself will be a challenge.
Jan 9, 2017
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#71
To harmlesly challenge the status quo is a good thing. To berate 'cuza the challenge is unnecessary.
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#72
It doesn't say you can't move your pawns backwards either. Or claim victory when the other player sneezes.
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
Not so fast M&P. I want u & everyone to read 3.8a without prejudice....if you can separate yourself from your chessgame past. That in & of itself will be a challenge.
3.8 a. by moving to an adjoining square - so what is your interpretation???
Jan 9, 2017
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#74
Bilbo21 wrote:
It doesn't say you can't move your pawns backwards either. Or claim victory when the other player sneezes.
Oh yes it does too. It says specifically that pawns can only move forward. Then there's abuncha stuff about capturing (diagonally only), enpassant, promotion, etc.
Jan 9, 2017
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#75
Bilbo21 is zeroing in on the salient point:
Your so-called "uncastle" is an undefined move.
There are an infinite number of moves that the rules don't explicitly say you cannot do.
Jan 9, 2017
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#76
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
As I said earlier, I have every right to retract any "piece" (petty argument: pawns are not pieces) move that I see fit.
For example, if I play 1. Nf3, then I have every right to play 2. Ng1. I am still well within my legal right to do so. Therefore, if I play 0-0, then I have every legal right to play un0-0.
Uncastling or decastling is not castling. I repeat....is NOT castling.
Nowhere in FIDE does it say explicitly that I cannot uncastle. It says one cannot castle twice in a game. But again, castling is NOT uncastling. In fact, they are so different that this shouldn't even be questioned !! Therefore, uncastling should not be confuzed w/ castling in any way shape or form.
All this is implied desist stuff. It is not letter of the law. Not even close. And @ this point, I am requiring anyone to find in FIDE rules where it says I cannot uncastle.
It has been stated a few times. The king only has two ways to move, by the rules. It can move one square in any direction, if it doesn't place itself into check and the square is empty or the piece occupying the square can be taken and it can castle with one of the rooks (along with the associated rules involved). Therefore, by the rules, one can not un-castle, at least in one move 
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
Not so fast M&P. I want u & everyone to read 3.8a without prejudice....if you can separate yourself from your chessgame past. That in & of itself will be a challenge.
Why do you refer to older version of rules? What't the point? New rules are formulated more clearly Laws of Chess: For competitions starting on or after 1 July 2014
That's like saying if you can uncapture, unmove pawn, promote... etc etc...
The Trolls are getting cleverer. Some day, would one of them explain to me just what feeble pleasure they get from starting useless arguments, then keeping them going after they have been done to death.
Wrongo. I have every right to question authority. One problem many have here (and that could include you) is bebopping along on the little white line of conformance 'cuz that's the way we've always done it.
Not good enuf for me.