Why can't you endanger your king to a pinned piece?

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If you pick up your pinned piece, look at your king, is it in check?

If so it is an illegal move since if you move it your king gets put in check. You must first put your king in check before putting the other king in check.

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PloughBoyChess wrote:
MusaH2008 wrote:
PloughBoyChess wrote:
MusaH2008 wrote:
PloughBoyChess wrote:
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The_Shashophille wrote:
Okay, I will rephrase what others said. Imagine chess ends the immediate moment the king is captured. So, if you checkmated or checked someone, they cannot counter check or checkmate because their king would be captured. So if you moved your king into the view of a pinned piece, it would technically be able to capture first

My guy everyone keeps saying this, the damn piece is pinned lmao

No, no it would not "technically be able to capture first" because it's pinned!

Have you ever thought that maybe chess just isn't your game?

bro if u just tryna answer a legit question with toxic energy then keep scrolling bud

Not trying to be toxic, just pointing out if you can't grasp a simple rule then maybe you should try a different game like Connect 4, tic tac toe?

I can grasp it, but I think it is illogical. Everyone else responded to my debate positively trying to change my opinion, and you come in here just to mock me. It's not my fault your parents broke up and your father walked out, don't bring that here

If you can grasp it, then surely you see why it makes sense within the rules of the game.

Dude seriously you just keep acting like you understand it and mock me for challenging it, just go to another thread and have a good day

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MusaH2008 wrote:

I understand that it is illegal to put your king in check, but if a piece is pinned then your king technically isn't in danger, and when that piece is unpinned it will just give a check. Why is this against chess's rules?”

I’m going to try to rephrase what other people have said to try to make it more digestible, but first let me point out that you are operating on the assumption of perfectly played chess. For a moment, consider what the impacts would be of your interpretation of this rule for less adept chess players.

Think about this scenario under your interpretation of the rule:

Let’s say you put the enemy king in check across the 3rd rank with a rook and the opponent moves a pawn to be adjacent to the king, blocking your rook. Your king is capable of moving to one of the squares the enemy pawn is attacking (where it defends one of your opponent’s rook, perhaps), so it does, capturing the enemy rook. As you’ve noted, the logical thing to do would be for the enemy king to move, initiating check through their pawn, but, again, this is assuming that every player would make the logical move. Say the opponent *doesn’t* move their king and opts to attack your pinning rook along its current file. Your interpretation would make it illegal to capture the attacking piece with your rook because disengaging the pin necessarily results in you delivering check to yourself. In other words, you’ve pinned your own rook along the 3rd rank with your own offensive maneuver, which is counterproductive.

In short, if you initiate a pin and put your king in a position where he would normally be checked by the pinned piece, you forfeit your ability to disengage the pin until you move your king out of check, meaning the opponent could essentially force you to either commit to a bad capture or go without full functionality of your piece for the remainder of the game.

Of course, there is some nuance to this, and pinning your own piece doesn’t necessarily guarantee you are going to lose (you could still try to find a way to checkmate along the rank, in this example, with a queen per se), but your interpretation of the rule adds unnecessary complexity when a simple “The king cannot be moved to a square where it would be placed in check,” avoids the problem I’ve presented and reserves limitations to the king as opposed to making every Bishop, Rook, and Queen capable of pinning themselves outside of situations where they are defensive blockers.

TL;DR: Chess is complex, easy to learn and difficult to master. Your interpretation adds a degree of weird that makes the game more difficult to learn. Attacking the king with a piece shouldn’t result in your own piece being pinned, and your interpretation encourages that.

Mad respect for having the courage to question the rules. Hopefully my post helped you understand one reason why the rule could be interpreted the way it is and not the way you’d like it to be accepted. Cheers

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If the piece is pinned, then still it’s who takes The king first
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> OP asks a question

> OP gets question answered

> OP starts acting obtuse and gets all pissy for no reason, even though the explanation given could not possibly be any more clear than it already is, then responds with a dumb ad hominem

> OP: "Why are you being so toxic bro"

Yes, I know this thread is two years old and got necroposted. I'm just surprised no one ever pointed out the blatant hypocrisy on display here. The OP really is a master of projecting.

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@Fr3nchToastCrunch ... "necroposted"?? hahah! Social Media is so hilarious!

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Dude @blueemu gave you the answer