Why do people do these things? Because this is the internet, the internet is anonymous, and people are idiots.
Nothing mean or nasty, just a fact ;)
Why do people do these things? Because this is the internet, the internet is anonymous, and people are idiots.
Nothing mean or nasty, just a fact ;)
True, but online ratings are nothing near to OTB so it's difficult to tell. I probs shouldn't have brought this up as it's a topic for another forum but it is interesting that you draw a 'line' at 600 points below. Though I must agree with you that weaker players mouthing off about their ability (eg. the "easy" comments in some of the daily puzzles) can be quite frustrating.
Referring back to the 1st post, I find that most strong players have more respect for the game than to go bragging about their ability, but sometimes the hierarchy strays to areas outside chess and other times strong players can find nothing more useful to say than "Oh my God, what a noob game, look at all these mistakes...etc."
To err is human, and to be egotistic on success is also human. Hitherto I had the good fortune of encountering only polite opponents, but there are some who are habituated to putting in rude comments (especially in forum posts) - unfortunately they are not even aware that they are rude - I think cultural differences in different countries is mainly responsible. What is rude to you may not be rude to me, and vice versa. In that case I think it is wise just to overlook that person, and trying to avoid him/her in the future.
I'm not sure that it's any different than any other artistic discipline. In music I've encountered famous artists who are very giving of their time, patient with amateurs, and gracious. I've encountered complete jerks who are household names. It doesn't seem to be any different in online chess except it's a bit geekier, kind of like being back in college where everyone likes to speak in a kind of code or purposely above the heads of the less experienced.
Having said that, there's no excuse for rudeness except for the socially inept who just don't know any better. My experiences at this site have been very positive but I've only been here since August. I've played some very fine players. I haven't beat any of them but I've always enjoyed the games.
Newbies have to use common sense, too. If you're toast, admit and ask to continue the game as a learning experience in endgame practice. Otherwise, resign and move on. Be polite, say "thanks for the game", etc. I don't think it takes too much to have a pleasant experience.
Sometimes people mistake "plain speaking" for "big ego" or "unfriendly" but if someone posts a suspect game here (as many do, proclaiming it to be a great game in which their opponent fell into mate when they were down 3 pieces), it seems better to tell them the truth to help them improve if they want to.
You can rationalize away being condescending by imagining that you're doing someone a favor, but if helping a person improve is the actual motivation behind commenting, then everything about the psychology of education indicates that a rude approach is counter-productive. No, in your case it's something else.
Chess is an interesting in that there is a lot of depth of understanding required to become quite strong, and that deceptively there is often a "right" answer in many positions. I think with kibitzing, chess can attract people who like to have that right answer and then act as if it ought to be obvious to everyone else.
Overall, I haven't really noticed much hautiness from the high-ranked players on this site (drd being an exception).
Oh we don't talk down to you lowly guys :P ... you're just not smart enough to understand that.
Hehe... just kidding :).
Unfortunately, it happens. There isn't much you can do about it other than avoid playing with these people. I had a big problem with this and then simply let it go. If you can play against a higher rated player and learn something from the game, you come out the winner. Bad manners have a way of catching up with people. Maybe not on the chess board but in everyday life. Let the high rated chess player cut someone off while changing lanes and argue the point with his USCF rating. It won't work (unless he cuts off another USCF player).
I ve seen a 1650 player draw an IM in an OTB game at Lisbon cup.Those things can happen.Higher rated players in some games tend to relax and trust win will eventually come and no need to pushing.
Yea but Reb, reading your program paranoia posts in the past (holy alliteration) you do strike me as someone who would accuse anyone that beats you and is not a master of using a program...
I have lost almost 100 games here and many too lower rated players, I dont recall accusing any of cheating. I havent lost a game in otb play to someone 600 points lower rated in more than a decade so I am naturally suspicious why it seems to happen on the net so much but not otb......
Yea but Reb, reading your program paranoia posts in the past (holy alliteration) you do strike me as someone who would accuse anyone that beats you and is not a master of using a program...
I have lost almost 100 games here and many too lower rated players, I dont recall accusing any of cheating. I havent lost a game in otb play to someone 600 points lower rated in more than a decade so I am naturally suspicious why it seems to happen on the net so much but not otb......
This response says it all; from a higher rated player.
NO there isnt really a difference. If you are talking down to someone than you are talking down to someone. Maybe thats why theres a problem because people dont realize being "rude" is not acceptable whether you are a NM or not.
NO there isnt really a difference. If you are talking down to someone than you are talking down to someone. Maybe thats why theres a problem because people dont realize being "rude" is not acceptable whether you are a NM or not.
Uh......where am I being rude or talking down to anyone ? I am simply pointing out certain discrepencies in otb play versus online. Talk to anyone I have played here and see if any accuse me of being rude or talking down to them ?
Reb was not being rude, he was simply relating his experiences here....or perhaps, his thoughts don't count, as he is highly rated?
Well given the context of the original post, and subsequent replies, what he was saying was very clear. For whatever reason you have chosen to automatically defend him. Rather than disucss to find an accurate understanding you are arguing: that is you are not looking for what is true and accurate but rather are seeking to defend "your" NM. I have made my point clear on this matter and an finished with this thread.
Well given the context of the original post, and subsequent replies, what he was saying was very clear. For whatever reason you have chosen to automatically defend him. Rather than disucss to find an accurate understanding you are arguing: that is you are not looking for what is true and accurate but rather are seeking to defend "your" NM. I have made my point clear on this matter and an finished with this thread.
Twit.
Indeed so. There are ppl like that in any level; I was once called a n00b by a lvl 10 when I was lvl 61 in flyff.. lolz that was along time ago :P
anyways, Chess is a relatively complex game, and to master it to a certain point takes time and effort, and some people may simply lack a sense of modesty at certain times... tho some may just be joking around too, so don't take such things personally.
At chess, at the moment, I am a n00b, so I've nothing more to say :P lol
Yea but Reb, reading your program paranoia posts in the past (holy alliteration) you do strike me as someone who would accuse anyone that beats you and is not a master of using a program...
I have lost almost 100 games here and many too lower rated players, I dont recall accusing any of cheating. I havent lost a game in otb play to someone 600 points lower rated in more than a decade so I am naturally suspicious why it seems to happen on the net so much but not otb......