Why do high level chess players consistently make really strange looking moves?

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llamonade
BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

The given game feels like watching a car accident with the worst hang-over ever. Each time I become sick replaying it.

That McShane game you posted?

I don't know... it doesn't seem that strange. Sure the position is totally non standard, and moves 10-12 are weird, but that's just a few moves, I think most of the moves make sense.

blueemu
BL4D3RUNN3R wrote:

Reminds me of a train wreck set to music.

UnpredictableR

Those are strange moves for who believes in logic

Those are smart moves for who believes in situation

BlargDragon

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

llamonade

For games that looks like a beginner and full of weird moves you need someone like Michael Basman

 

 

seongmin20p7

BlargDragon wrote:

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

that is not very nice, is it?

seongmin20p7

BlargDragon wrote:

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

the reason they sometimes make strange looking moves is because they underestimate you

BlargDragon
seongmin20p7 wrote:

 

BlargDragon wrote:

 

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

 

that is not very nice, is it?

 

It's not nice of them at all, no.

seongmin20p7

no i mean u calling them strange-looking people

seongmin20p7

no i mean u calling them strange-looking people

autobunny
BlargDragon wrote:
seongmin20p7 wrote:
BlargDragon wrote:

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

that is not very nice, is it?

It's not nice of them at all, no.

they're strange off the board as well

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/chess-maneuvers-off-the-board

Laskersnephew

"principles are for chessnobs with little to no playing ability, which is the vast majority. so it’s easy to sell them books and sh**"

That's absolute nonsense. All the top players have a deep understanding of chess principles, and most of their moves adhere to those principles. But their understanding of chess principles goes a long way past a simple set of rules that you could fit on an index card. They understand the differences between open and closed positions, and the know which principles apply to each type of position, And they also understand that chess is a concrete game! General rules can always be overruled by exact calculation

BlargDragon
autobunny wrote:
BlargDragon wrote:
seongmin20p7 wrote:
BlargDragon wrote:

They make strange-looking moves because they're strange-looking people.

that is not very nice, is it?

It's not nice of them at all, no.

they're strange off the board as well

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/chess-maneuvers-off-the-board

Gosh, strangeness seems to permeate their whole existence.

dominusdone
Deranged wrote:

Well here's how I'd have played it out:

 

you can argue that the kings square are weakened but is it really. Black is the one getting play. His king is surrounded by more pieces than the attackers so its not really weak. Its only weak if it can be attacked

dominusdone
Deranged wrote:

I don't understand why we want to expand on the queenside. Why does it matter which way our pawns are "facing"? Why can't white attempt a pawn break with f4 and why can't black attempt a pawn break with c6?

you can but why would you? that just opens up blacks g7 bishop. Also there is no imbalance or advantage for you to use to attack black. No side can attack unless you have advantage. Therefore there is nothing to be afraid of

sndeww
Deranged hat geschrieben:

One thing I've noticed that both novices and titled players have in common: they all make strange looking moves that break all principles!

Intermediate level players (rated above 1000 but below 2200) tend to play more normal, solid-looking moves, but people above 2200 rating are always putting their pieces on awkward squares. For example, I see high rated players do the following things a lot:

1) Putting their knights on the rim of the board

2) "Undeveloping" their pieces (eg. moving a piece back to its original position, instead of completing development).

Ah yes, my favorite example: the lovely czech benoni!

and another case:

 

sndeww
little_guinea_pig hat geschrieben:

My guess for why grandmasters play such strange moves is that they can calculate much better and see exceptions to normal developing moves. Some top engine games are absolute madness - yet there is always a concrete reason for their moves.

The problem comes when I see those sorts of moves and think "ooh this looks interesting!" and then I play like a 1000 ignoring all sorts of principles for suspicious reasons.

cough 5.Nxf7?? cough

irRobot

Because they're looking 6 or more moves ahead, and thinking about the position they want to be in at that point.

mpaetz

     The analyses of different specific positions here reveal the answer to the original question. The "basic principles" are simply general guidelines; every position must be analyzed for its own particular tactical and positional possibilities. The moves very strong players make that look strange to us lesser players are played because they are superior in that position. A "minor" change in pawn position or piece placement may make a more "normal" move preferable in what looks like much the same position. Sometimes a strong player will deliberately make a "strange looking" second or third best move in order to create an unbalanced less-drawish game, perhaps because their standing in the tournament or match dictates a win at all costs approach. And even strong GMs  overlook things sometimes. But usually these "strange" moves are better, although the reason for their superiority won't be clear to us lesser players until several moves further into the game.

BlunderBrawl

Whenever you see titled players in a game, the chances are high that they've played that position (or similar positions) many times before. Hundreds of times, likely. Perhaps thousands of times.

So they've learned, through repetition and analysis, what the most common candidate moves will be. Often these moves may look strange, especially if you don't have experience with similar positions, yourself. Usually they have tactical or positional implications (things that aren't always obvious at first glance).

So, long story short: the strange-looking moves are a product of experience, analysis, and positional understanding. They aren't thought up on a whim, in the spur of the moment. They're usually moves that have been looked at and studied before.