Why do some players immediately resign the moment they lose the momentum? Is it ego? Pride? Shame? - Chess Forums - Page 4

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#61

blueemu wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

Alright, I down graded from rock and roll, being cool to chess.

Fair enough.

Why not both?

David Bowie and Catherine Deneuve.

That’s a great pic!

MaetsNori

Jun 30, 2022

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#62

CooloutAC wrote:

Its very hard, especially when you were not conditioned to deal with it at a young age.

It works both ways, though.

Refusing to resign, in a clearly lost position, can also be a sign of immaturity.

These players refuse to admit defeat because they can't handle it, emotionally. It's too much of a blow to their pride. So they play on, stubbornly, angrily, because they don't know how to accept a loss.

These are often the same players who will whine / curse / threaten if they get checkmated.

The practice of "never giving up" isn't always a sign of mental toughness. Sometimes, it's the opposite.

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#63

IronSteam1 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Its very hard, especially when you were not conditioned to deal with it at a young age.

It works both ways, though.

Refusing to resign, in a clearly lost position, can also be a sign of immaturity.

These players refuse to admit defeat because they can't handle it, emotionally. It's too much of a blow to their pride. So they play on, stubbornly, angrily, because they don't know how to accept a loss.

These are often the same players who will whine / curse / threaten if they get checkmated.

The practice of "never giving up" isn't always a sign of mental toughness. Sometimes, it's the opposite.

You do have a point.

I was practicing with a higher rated sparring partner (1800+) and had a huge material advantage instead of promoting a queen I decided to walk my king up to checkmate with a rook duo; it took a long while for the young lad to figure it out 😅

Even then, it didn’t have to go that far?

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#64

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

IronSteam1 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Its very hard, especially when you were not conditioned to deal with it at a young age.

It works both ways, though.

Refusing to resign, in a clearly lost position, can also be a sign of immaturity.

These players refuse to admit defeat because they can't handle it, emotionally. It's too much of a blow to their pride. So they play on, stubbornly, angrily, because they don't know how to accept a loss.

These are often the same players who will whine / curse / threaten if they get checkmated.

The practice of "never giving up" isn't always a sign of mental toughness. Sometimes, it's the opposite.

You do have a point.

I was practicing with a higher rated sparring partner (1800+) and had a huge material advantage instead of promoting a queen I decided to walk my king up checkmate with a rook duo; it took a long while for the young lad to figure it out 😅

at the same time he was learning, so were you. And you are working to condition yourself, so you don't end up resigning like mpaetz would, in the circumstances the OP described.

I was flexing but it was oblivious.

May be not everybody can checkmate with a rook and king?

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#65

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

IronSteam1 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Its very hard, especially when you were not conditioned to deal with it at a young age.

It works both ways, though.

Refusing to resign, in a clearly lost position, can also be a sign of immaturity.

These players refuse to admit defeat because they can't handle it, emotionally. It's too much of a blow to their pride. So they play on, stubbornly, angrily, because they don't know how to accept a loss.

These are often the same players who will whine / curse / threaten if they get checkmated.

The practice of "never giving up" isn't always a sign of mental toughness. Sometimes, it's the opposite.

You do have a point.

I was practicing with a higher rated sparring partner (1800+) and had a huge material advantage instead of promoting a queen I decided to walk my king up checkmate with a rook duo; it took a long while for the young lad to figure it out 😅

at the same time he was learning, so were you. And you are working to condition yourself, so you don't end up resigning like mpaetz would, in the circumstances the OP described.

I was flexing but it was oblivious.

May be not everybody can checkmate with a rook and king?

not always fast enough. definitely not.

This thread was better when we had rock and roll, David Bowie, Purple Haze and heroes in sheeps.

MaetsNori

Jun 30, 2022

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#66

CooloutAC wrote:

I totally disagree. Not only is that against human nature. Its the person who resigns that can't handle defeat, and that is the point I'm trying to get across.

Believe me - a lot of players will do anything they can to avoid resigning, when lost. Not because they're strong-willed fighters. (Those are not the players I'm talking about.)

I'm talking about the players who, emotionally, can't handle losing.

Hitting that resign button is too much of a blow to their pride.

So they won't.

They'll play on, spitefully, even when they're completely busted.

They aren't playing on because they expect to find a win. They're playing on because they're upset.

Sometimes, they'll simply stop playing altogether, and will refuse to move, out of spite.

On Lichess (I dabble there, sometimes), some of these players will even add several minutes of time to your clock. Then they'll intentionally disconnect.

Because they'd rather waste your time than admit their own defeat.

Kira_is_coming

Jun 30, 2022

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#67

CooloutAC wrote:

IronSteam1 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

I totally disagree. Not only is that against human nature. Its the person who resigns that can't handle defeat, and that is the point I'm trying to get across.

Believe me - a lot of players will do anything they can to avoid resigning, when lost. Not because they're strong-willed fighters. (Those are not the players I'm talking about.)

I'm talking about the players who, emotionally, can't handle losing.

Hitting that resign button is too much of a blow to their pride.

So they won't.

They'll play on, spitefully, even when they're completely busted.

They aren't playing on because they expect to find a win. They're playing on because they're upset.

Sometimes, they'll simply stop playing altogether, and will refuse to move, out of spite.

On Lichess (I dabble there, sometimes), some of these players will even add several minutes of time to your clock. Then they'll intentionally disconnect.

Because they'd rather waste your time than admit their own defeat.

I think you live in a fantasy land. Take everything you said but apply it backwards and you would be correct lol. Everyone resigns because they have been traditionally programmed to by people like you. The only ones I see who don't are Russian players in this OTB blitz and rapid club I watch on youtube. Most of them rarely resign. Or experienced players like Nihal Sarin and Eric Rosen for example. And those are pro level players. And most streamers. They aren't playing on because of pride, they are playing on because this is a competitive sport and they know they always have a chance from experience and any movement on the board is giving them that experience.

Deprogram yourself immediately. You should never resign a game on chess.com and too many people do.

Like I said I resign 80% of my losses, but at least I'm honest with myself and know its a mental conditioning problem.

I have to disagree. Yes, strong players don't resign because they have the ability to capitalize on any mistake. Yes, we do too. But try winning a game down a rook at 1800-2000 level. Out of 1000 games, you might draw 1, let alone win one. Also, cc is just for fun for most people, they just play for the enjoyment and/or serotonin after a win. A resignation allows them to get their "fix" faster because resigns are easy to forget.

PineappleBird

Jun 30, 2022

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#68

IronSteam1 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Its very hard, especially when you were not conditioned to deal with it at a young age.

It works both ways, though.

Refusing to resign, in a clearly lost position, can also be a sign of immaturity.

These players refuse to admit defeat because they can't handle it, emotionally. It's too much of a blow to their pride. So they play on, stubbornly, angrily, because they don't know how to accept a loss.

These are often the same players who will whine / curse / threaten if they get checkmated.

The practice of "never giving up" isn't always a sign of mental toughness. Sometimes, it's the opposite.

Interesting point actually.

I have a friend who never resigns for a different reason than the normal "be tough, don't give up" ideal/attitude... (which I admire, of course)

He dosen't resign because he litterally can't evaluate positions and their long term prospects of counter play... He really believes I might blunder, he can't evaluate that there is no blunder in the position even if you try (completely fixed and solid structure with a 2 pawn and an exchange advantage vs weak pawn structure, for example)... I mean sure there are +15 positions that are still sharp somehow, there are mistakes to be made... but there are also +7 positions that have NO counter play or potential blunders in them... He just can't differentiate... It's not immaturity, it's lack of chess understanding...

It's annoying to me, but not from the "stubborn" aspect, from the "dude learn to evaluate positions" aspect...

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#69

You know what?

After half a bottle of Jack, I wanted to test out this theory in real time and entered a 5/5 tournament.

You know what, I do appreciate that my higher rated opponent (+400) resign because I was too plastered to continue.

I see the case for when you’re down a queen but ahead on the clock.

To be fair, this is my second half of the bottle 😏

Put up or shut up?

https://www.chess.com/game/live/50384346951

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#70

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

You know what?

After half a bottle of Jack, I wanted to test out this theory in real time and entered a 5/5 tournament.

You know what, I do appreciate that my higher rated opponent (+400) resign because I was too plastered to continue.

I see the case for when you’re down a queen but ahead on the clock.

To be fair, this is my second half of the bottle 😏

Put up or shut up?

https://www.chess.com/game/live/50384346951

dude was 400 points higher rated then you too lmao. Goes right to the OP's point though.

It’s possible that the OP is trolling?

How do you have almost 3900 rapid games since January 2022 and stuck?

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#71

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

CooloutAC wrote:

Chuck639 wrote:

You know what?

After half a bottle of Jack, I wanted to test out this theory in real time and entered a 5/5 tournament.

You know what, I do appreciate that my higher rated opponent (+400) resign because I was too plastered to continue.

I see the case for when you’re down a queen but ahead on the clock.

To be fair, this is my second half of the bottle 😏

Put up or shut up?

https://www.chess.com/game/live/50384346951

dude was 400 points higher rated then you too lmao. Goes right to the OP's point though.

It’s possible that the OP is trolling?

How do you have almost 3900 rapid games since January 2022 and stuck?

are you in the right thread? what post are you referring to?

Alright , I was looking for AA. My name is Charles and chess makes me drink.

Please continue.

MaetsNori

Jun 30, 2022

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#72

CooloutAC wrote:

I think you live in a fantasy land. Take everything you said but apply it backwards and you would be correct lol. Everyone resigns because they have been traditionally programmed to by people like you. The only ones I see who don't are Russian players in this OTB blitz and rapid club I watch on youtube. Most of them rarely resign. Or experienced players like Nihal Sarin and Eric Rosen for example. And those are pro level players. And most streamers. They aren't playing on because of pride, they are playing on because this is a competitive sport and they know they always have a chance from experience and any movement on the board is giving them that experience.

Deprogram yourself immediately. You should never resign a game on chess.com and too many people do.

Like I said I resign 80% of my losses, but at least I'm honest with myself and know its a mental conditioning problem.

I'm not talking about players who fight on because there are still chances to swindle a win. I have no problem with those situations.

I'm talking about players who refuse to resign because they're too immature to admit defeat.

These are two different issues, entirely.

I specifically pointed out how it happens on Lichess (as I notice it happens a lot, there): once a player realizes they're busted, they will add several minutes of time to your clock. Then they'll intentionally disconnect.

They do this to intentionally waste your time. Because the idea of losing angers them too much. They'd rather disconnect than resign, because they know it forces you to wait for the "Claim Victory" button to appear.

You might think I'm living in a fantasy land, but I'm not. This kind of behavior becomes more apparent, the higher you climb up the ratings.

Players take losses more seriously, the higher you go. They get more angry. More spiteful.

You begin to notice the players who are mature enough to handle losing, versus the players who can't handle it at all.

JohnNapierSanDiego

Jun 30, 2022

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#73

holy cow, do you guys come on here just to chat or do any of you actually play any chess?

Chuck639

Jun 30, 2022

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#74

JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

holy cow, do you guys come on here just to chat or do any of you actually play any chess?

I don’t mean to be smart cos I am far from it. You have to explain me about irony and hypocrisy when you consider the last live game you have played was when?

For the record, my last rated tournament game was today so my hands are clean!

MaetsNori

Jun 30, 2022

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#75

CooloutAC wrote:

Those players really don't exist. Dwarfed to the point of nonexistant when compared to players who resign because of the reasons you state. You are lying to yourself. Probably to justify your own brainwashed weak minded actions. Seriously, I mean what i say, try to deprogram yourself.

Why you don't post an example like Chuck639 did if you believe this to be true. How could you even determine such a thing are you reading peoples minds? You sound like you are desperately trying to convince yourself of this. You have no way of knowing if someone is playing on to condition themselves and gain experience or trying to flag or stalemate. What you do know, is that you yourself don't have the mental fortitude not to resign in a similar position.

You're a 600-rated blitz player. I'm a 2300. Please spare me your lectures about "mental fortitude" in chess.

My point was a simple one: "refusing to resign" is not always a good thing. Sometimes it is. Tenacity is applause-worthy. But I'm not talking about tenacity.

I'm talking about the other cases, of clear immaturity - of sore losers who can't handle a loss. Of the players who will refuse to resign because their egos won't allow it.

These players will do anything to avoid the resign button. They'll stall. They'll shuffle. They'll spite check and spam draw offers. They'll flood the chat box with curses and threats.

And when mate is near, they'll intentionally disconnect, rather than admit their own defeat.

Anything to avoid hitting "resign".

So my point is: players can take the "never resign!" mentality too far, in the completely wrong direction.

This should not be a difficult concept to understand. You arguing against it is, honestly, perplexing.

If you think these sore losers don't exist in online chess, then I'm not sure what to tell you - other than to assure you that they do.

Perhaps you simply don't win enough games to experience them, firsthand. Once you do, you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about.

Mikewrite

Jun 30, 2022

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#76

I don't understand quick resigners either, but I am happy to take the win and move on. Maybe they had to take a poop or pick up a relative from jail, who knows? I grind my games out to the end unless it becomes too humiliating or wasteful of everyones time to continue.

AleOS166

Jun 30, 2022

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#77

All the important mistakes already made to lose the vantage, just time to go to analysis

dude0812

Jul 1, 2022

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#78

22289d wrote:

It's very common in my games, 1100-1300 range. The player is very aggressive from the start and pretty much every move I'm on the defensive and they are attacking. Then they misstep and now I am up a knight or bishop, or even a pawn and I'm going to be the one attacking and they instantly resign. Their position is far from lost and my rating thanks them because they'd win or draw a lot if they played it out. It's just really weird that they do that. My best guess is that it's their bruised ego.

If they are down a piece, usually that means that they are totally lost.

Jimemy

Jul 1, 2022

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#79

There are also some forum poster that never ever would say ”sorry I was wrong”. Maybe similiar reason. It would hurt there ego to much to admit that someone else might know better.

22289d

Jul 1, 2022

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#80

CooloutAC wrote:

Mikewrite wrote:

I don't understand quick resigners either, but I am happy to take the win and move on. Maybe they had to take a poop or pick up a relative from jail, who knows? I grind my games out to the end unless it becomes too humiliating or wasteful of everyones time to continue.

As a quick resigner myself, I can tell you its because I am too emotional. I constantly hear how chess is all about making accurate moves, and to a degree that is true so when I make a single mistake and screw up my own plans, or I hang a queen for example, I can't mentally deal with it and contain myself and resign out of frustration telling myself I should just save time. I'm also the type to go on long tilts. I admire the people who are strong enough to play on.

Those that were properly trained and conditioned at a young age are usually better at dealing with mistakes on the board. I guess its why the best chess players seem so emotionless and calm.

Coming back and winning from a big material disadvantage is very gratifying. Even getting a draw or stalemate sometimes can feel as good as a win. View it as a challenge and those games may turn fun for you. I think I actually play better with my back to the wall, I'm certainly more creative and aggressive.