tesla1 wrote:
men are stronger in reasoning and logic.
this would appear to suggest that if women governed the world, there would have been even more wars.
logic says otherwise.
Why do women get different medals? WGM or simply GM?
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Fulliautomatix wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
men are stronger in reasoning and logic.
this would appear to suggest that if women governed the world, there would have been even more wars.
logic says otherwise.
That's an interesting thought. Maybe elaborate on it?
Off the top of my head, women or man, I think any leader would be protective of their community. And when neighboring societies have to share limited resources it seems fighting would break out in any case.
Wars don't seem to be as much of an idiotic aggressive thing as an "us vs them" group mentality type thinking. And I'd think both sexes are influenced by it.
you're thinking as a "dude"
Fulliautomatix wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
men are stronger in reasoning and logic.
this would appear to suggest that if women governed the world, there would have been even more wars.
logic says otherwise.
Yeah, just think how peaceful the Amazonians were.
waffllemaster wrote:
You used sarcasm, so did I. My point was against what you said. I'm saying if gender roles say a woman can't be a professional anything then it's no surprise to see that men dominate any profession. A woman can be a cook (amateur at home) but not a chef (earn a living with cooking).
Except that in many societies in many times it has been perfectly acceptable for women to earn a living by being a cook - if in the home, then in the home of someone rich and powerful in a number of cases, and not the home of their husband. Whereas on the other hand there is strong societal pressure against boys wanting to learn any cissified task such as cooking or fashion designing, but the ones who really want to be chefs or fashion designers seem to make it to the top whatever society has to say about it.
Fulliautomatix wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
men are stronger in reasoning and logic.
this would appear to suggest that if women governed the world, there would have been even more wars.
logic says otherwise.
I'm not sure either how that "appears to suggest" anything of the sort, or that "logic" says otherwise.
Fulliautomatix wrote:
you're thinking as a "dude"
I disagree. Community is not male or female. Heck it's nearly as simple as an extension of the family unit. If anything I'd expect women to be more war-like heh.
But if you'd like to clarify it for me I'll again ask you to elaborate.
Feb 16, 2013
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I don't want to rain on everyone's parade but the real reason for different medals, is rather more mundane.
The men's medals are altogether too heavy for a lady's fine neck to comfortably bear, being made of dense metals.
Since the introduction of medals for ladies (Margate, 1938), they have been made of chocolate and wrapped in coloured foils. This was in keeping with the genteel standards of the day, being both decorative and delicious!
A worthy tradition in these times of equality, I'm sure that you'll agree.
waffllemaster wrote:
Fulliautomatix wrote:
you're thinking as a "dude"
I disagree. Community is not male or female. Heck it's nearly as simple as an extension of the family unit. If anything I'd expect women to be more war-like heh.
But if you'd like to clarify it for me I'll again ask you to elaborate.
that's dude-thinking, dude.
Gil-Gandel wrote:
Fulliautomatix wrote:
tesla1 wrote:
men are stronger in reasoning and logic.
this would appear to suggest that if women governed the world, there would have been even more wars.
logic says otherwise.
I'm not sure either how that "appears to suggest" anything of the sort, or that "logic" says otherwise.
you're pretty consistent! hehe
Feb 18, 2013
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varelse1 wrote:
If a man says something in the woods, and there's no woman there to correct him, is he still wrong?
maybe the man can hear himself.
>:)
a man will always be right if he keeps his mouth shut!
beat that!
waffllemaster wrote:
Wars don't seem to be as much of an idiotic aggressive thing as an "us vs them" group mentality type thinking. And I'd think both sexes are influenced by it.
How can such a smart dude be so naive?
All wars, since the advent of civilization, are about one thing, the same thing.
Well don't stop there... let me know! 
(I'd guess limited regional resources or religion)
Or am I being too literal? Men are the 1 thing?
They didn't come up with the word "profiteer" for nothin'.
Oh, money? I guess that's like resources, but I guess I meant for the society and you mean for 1 or a few individuals. I'm thinking more primitive society (but maybe then too?)
batgirl wrote:
The topic of women (and our relatively poor showing) in chess is very controversial. I've always felt, and still do, that it comes down to pool size (which is the goal, right or wrong, behind things such as separate titles and tournaments). I recently read this balanced article on women and math, which really doesn't get into reasoning, but more into trends that indicate past results aren't necessarily true indicators. At any rate, it's an interesting read for anyone who claims to be unbiased.
You can't in good faith compare results between chess and standardized scholastic comparisons in e.g. mathematics. Chess is an open-ended application of skill (one can always find a more difficult opponent unless one is the best in the world), while most standardized tests are closed-ended (it is possible for a number of pupils to reach the maximum score). Imagine our Gaussian performance distributions, this time with a vertical line cutting through them at some unknown point along the x-axis; because of the different shapes of the distributions, the proportion of the encompassed areas (to the right of the line) to the total areas may differ greatly depending on the location of this point. In other words, the difficulty of the exam has an influence on the relative performance between boys and girls.
If you don't know what I mean by a Gaussian distribution, you may want to check out this thread. It should also address any issues you might have about the effect of the pool sizes of male and female chess players.
Yeah but very few max out their scores in, lets say, math. I mean... surely standardized tests are going to be centered near the mean and account for a few standard deviations or they'd be worthless... the people 4 deviations away are the 1/1000 anyway, doesn't seem like they'd change the stats in the link batgirl gave.
You used sarcasm, so did I. My point was against what you said. I'm saying if gender roles say a woman can't be a professional anything then it's no surprise to see that men dominate any profession. A woman can be a cook (amateur at home) but not a chef (earn a living with cooking).