Why is chess a sport?

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Mayan ball courts 1000 BCE. Early American sport.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ancient-mesoamerica/article/lidar-analyses-in-the-contiguous-miradorcalakmul-karst-basin-guatemala-an-introduction-to-new-perspectives-on-regional-early-maya-socioeconomic-and-political-organization/31075DFA8ADBAA5E7C7320CA6DB93E5E

 

 

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Optimissed wrote:
MelvinGarvey wrote:

I short, you sure may believe chess is no sport. And you sure may say it, as long and as many times you want.

But you need to be aware, that by doing so, you do claim that every and each sports authority around the world is illegitimate and that their judgement over the question "What is a sport?" has no value at all.

And for what I know, it sure may have no consequences at all over your life. As long as you don't engage official sports competition with that mindset, lol.


That's such a bad argument it isn't even an argument. Sporting bodies have a vested interest in claiming as much as they can as sports, so their claims or opinions need not be taken seriously.

 

In other words, expertise is of no value. Those who have invested their lives in learning something must be presumed to be biased. To avoid such bias, we must canvass the ignorant.

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It isn't.

Chess is a game, an overrated game.  Not a sport.

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Optimissed wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
MelvinGarvey wrote:

I short, you sure may believe chess is no sport. And you sure may say it, as long and as many times you want.

But you need to be aware, that by doing so, you do claim that every and each sports authority around the world is illegitimate and that their judgement over the question "What is a sport?" has no value at all.

And for what I know, it sure may have no consequences at all over your life. As long as you don't engage official sports competition with that mindset, lol.


That's such a bad argument it isn't even an argument. Sporting bodies have a vested interest in claiming as much as they can as sports, so their claims or opinions need not be taken seriously.

 

In other words, expertise is of no value. Those who have invested their lives in learning something must be presumed to be biased. To avoid such bias, we must canvass the ignorant.

Their *possible* expertise has to be balanced against their vested interests, which definitely exist. A possible, balanced against a definite.

I know you believe chess should be recognised as a sport but making such a bad argument does you nor your opinion no credit. Actually an argument from authority, Good grief!!

 

Your broad brush is the problem. It is a hasty generalization presented without evidence. It is also consistent with your opinions on things like vaccines, where you substitute anecdotes from a family member for the developed views of a legion of professionals.

Throwing out the expertise of all sporting bodies because of perceived vested interests. Maybe if you spent some time documenting how these interests have produced error, you would have an argument.

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It's a war of the minds, not a sport

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Assalomu alaykum everyone

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It's simply a game 

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Optimissed wrote:



You are literally saying these people have authority and therefore they are right. 

Wrong.
Never said anything of the sort.
Only pointed out that you threw the baby into the gray water pit.

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Depends on what you're talking about, how you define the word sport and how you look at the history of the game (which country, time or culture).


Since you can hardly dissociate the mind from the body, without facing dire consequences, most sports require both to be in good shape.

Unlike football which is played by headless chickens, most particularly at a high level. Hence football (soccer) is not a sport.

We know how chess players train physically. If you don't, watch some chess boxing.

I played my one and only game on Chess.com vs a living person a few days ago, which ended in a stalemate. I lost a kilo. I need a massage. Stil hurts,

So, yes, it is a sport. One of the toughest probably. Although, in the end, an answer is always subjective.

 

 

 

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Chess is neither a science nor an art most definitely not a game or sport , its a WAR , supposedly a simulation of war but in reality a war.

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MelvinGarvey wrote:

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that most of them who want chess to be nothing more than a game, never engaged a real life chess tournament with the firm intent to win a prize or score much higher than their rating. Doctor? Any doctor? Me palms ar' sweatin'!

would this be similar to the out of shape souls that play in a tournament and therefore think they are athletic? and then insist chess is a sport?

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Sadlone wrote:

Chess is neither a science nor an art most definitely not a game or sport , its a WAR , supposedly a simulation of war but in reality a war.

like stratego? or risk?

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Optimissed wrote:

<<<Optimissed wrote:Ziryab wrote: 

"In other words, expertise is of no value. Those who have invested their lives in learning something must be presumed to be biased. To avoid such bias, we must canvass the ignorant."
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Direct quote. You're saying we should believe people who have a vested interest. Obviously if they've "invested their lives in learning something", as you clearly state, that is LITERALLY a vested interest. 

 

I am saying that they can be taken seriously. Their "vested interest" includes expertise, which you dismiss too readily.

Optimissed wrote:

Sporting bodies have a vested interest in claiming as much as they can as sports, so their claims or opinions need not be taken seriously.

 

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Your opinion is easy to dismiss.

There are those who claim expertise on matters related to the definition of sport, despite your assertion to the contrary.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001139216701500301?journalCode=csia

 

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When it seems like everyone else is losing their mind, you should see your doctor.

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Bcs you mast watch xctentational

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Robotofdeath395 wrote:

Why is chess a sport is it a mental sport?

Just mental. Sometimes we can tell by the goals of chess players.

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Ziryab wrote:

When it seems like everyone else is losing their mind, you should see your doctor.

No. We post about it. TICCPROW 

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Optimissed wrote:

 We can junk Ziryab's claim of expertise. 

I never claimed expertise. I criticized your dismissal of expertise on flimsy grounds.

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The first stage is TOURNA-MENTAL and the second and last is MENTAL