Why is chess a sport?

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Depends on what you're talking about, how you define the word sport and how you look at the history of the game (which country, time or culture).


Since you can hardly dissociate the mind from the body, without facing dire consequences, most sports require both to be in good shape.

Unlike football which is played by headless chickens, most particularly at a high level. Hence football (soccer) is not a sport.

We know how chess players train physically. If you don't, watch some chess boxing.

I played my one and only game on Chess.com vs a living person a few days ago, which ended in a stalemate. I lost a kilo. I need a massage. Stil hurts,

So, yes, it is a sport. One of the toughest probably. Although, in the end, an answer is always subjective.

 

 

 

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I was only mimicking you. You wrote something very stupid preceded by "obviously". I was pretending to be you. 

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Chess is neither a science nor an art most definitely not a game or sport , its a WAR , supposedly a simulation of war but in reality a war.

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MelvinGarvey wrote:

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that most of them who want chess to be nothing more than a game, never engaged a real life chess tournament with the firm intent to win a prize or score much higher than their rating. Doctor? Any doctor? Me palms ar' sweatin'!

would this be similar to the out of shape souls that play in a tournament and therefore think they are athletic? and then insist chess is a sport?

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Sadlone wrote:

Chess is neither a science nor an art most definitely not a game or sport , its a WAR , supposedly a simulation of war but in reality a war.

like stratego? or risk?

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MelvinGarvey wrote:
Optimissed a écrit :


Direct quote. You're saying we should believe people who have a vested interest. Obviously if they've "invested their lives in learning something", as you clearly state, that is LITERALLY a vested interest. They work for sporting bodies which attract more money, power and prestige, the more people they have as members and the more organisations (such as chess ones) they can claim to speak for.

Speaking for people IS authority. You really come across as thick but I know it's emotion colouring your opinions and reactions. There are too many like that already. Take a deep breath and don't join them.

 

Wellyeah sure/ Let's talk bout bein' all emotional n all, and have you explain to us silly puppets of the worldwide illuminati new order, how it is about all sports authorities around the world (and that's more countries than sausages in your beans) got corrupted with the ridiculously little money there is in chess, compared to tennis or soccer. And for what gain, please mister, since chess is still barely any broadcasted on TV!! (burst out in rage anger n droolin round the pub's floor).

Just why be gullible? You used sporting bodies claiming chess is a sport as an argument that chess is a sport. It's like supporting the thoughts of prisoners that all prisoners should be freed, and freeing all prisoners. It's like agreeing with those rolling around on the pub floor, saying they should have free drinks on the house, that henceforth all drunks should have free drinks at the expense of the hostelry, the floor of which they are presently vomiting on. It's like ..... but I expect you get my drift by now. Don't be gullible.

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Optimissed wrote:

<<<Optimissed wrote:Ziryab wrote: 

"In other words, expertise is of no value. Those who have invested their lives in learning something must be presumed to be biased. To avoid such bias, we must canvass the ignorant."
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Direct quote. You're saying we should believe people who have a vested interest. Obviously if they've "invested their lives in learning something", as you clearly state, that is LITERALLY a vested interest. 

 

I am saying that they can be taken seriously. Their "vested interest" includes expertise, which you dismiss too readily.

Optimissed wrote:

Sporting bodies have a vested interest in claiming as much as they can as sports, so their claims or opinions need not be taken seriously.

 

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I disagree entirely that chess being a sport or not a sport can be considered a question which can best be resolved by applying expertise. It's a one-off question and not part of a body of knowledge on which there can be expertise. Just a matter of opinion.

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Your opinion is easy to dismiss.

There are those who claim expertise on matters related to the definition of sport, despite your assertion to the contrary.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001139216701500301?journalCode=csia

 

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Ziryab wrote:

Your opinion is easy to dismiss.

There are those who claim expertise on matters related to the definition of sport, despite your assertion to the contrary.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001139216701500301?journalCode=csia

 

I think you have a problem, like some others on this site whom I shall not name but probably will, with actually understanding how to discuss and debate a matter where, obviously, your views are strongly held. I see nothing but attempts to coerce by assertion and appeals to authority.

btickler, who perhaps has a mental age MUCH younger than his chronological one of fifty-something, several times told me in the past, because, of course, he projects his insecurities onto others as a matter of course, that I am not capable of discussing anything maturely with the likes of Elroch and Ziryab. Of course, I know that he projects all of his own insecurities onto others. Yet here in this conversation I'm not seeing anything from you that's even a decent attempt to discuss this subject person to person, let alone convincing. And it's the same with Elroch, basically. In fact I've been wondering recently if half the people on this site don't seem to be suffering from some effects of trauma or whatever.

You simply can't hope to talk as you are doing and hope to get away with it in mature company. I could ask "whom do you think you're talking to" with perfect reasonableness. In fact, I think I will. I'm not even going to answer Melvin, going on about writing dictionaries. What's happening to people here. I mean some of the older ones? I think it's an authority thing. You reach an age where you say to yourselves "I've reached this age and now I'm going to make sure others know what I think". Well, I'm older than both you and Elroch by quite a way. Maybe I've been through it myself and made a fool of myself in the past. But now, it's the turn of you both.

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When it seems like everyone else is losing their mind, you should see your doctor.

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Bcs you mast watch xctentational

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Oh I'll answer him

<<So, we could then say, that, even if chess "should" not be counted as a sport, well, reality is: it is counted as a sport.>>

That's the only thing you're actually saying.

Yes it's counted as a sport by some people. It isn't counted as a sport by some others. If you look around you here, you'll see many who don't count it as a sport. So your assertion that it's counted as a sport can only be based on WHO counts it as a sport. You say sporting bodies do. Why should their opinions count more than mine and the opinions of others here?

Because they carry authority? We can junk Ziryab's claim of expertise. That's his view and a subjective one only.

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Ziryab wrote:

When it seems like everyone else is losing their mind, you should see your doctor.

That's what people in a madhouse would like to think when their doctor visits them, sure. "You're not wearing your shoes on your head like we do. See a doctor."

You lose. happy.png I'm better than you at this.

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Robotofdeath395 wrote:

Why is chess a sport is it a mental sport?

Just mental. Sometimes we can tell by the goals of chess players.

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Ziryab wrote:

When it seems like everyone else is losing their mind, you should see your doctor.

No. We post about it. TICCPROW 

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Optimissed wrote:

 We can junk Ziryab's claim of expertise. 

I never claimed expertise. I criticized your dismissal of expertise on flimsy grounds.

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The first stage is TOURNA-MENTAL and the second and last is MENTAL 

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Azim_xotam wrote:

Assalomu alaykum everyone

Greeting is a sport

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Insulting certainly is .....