Why is Chess.com growing so quickly? - Chess Forums - Page 7

Jared_Anthony

Feb 26, 2023

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#121

What's your point you are trying to make in a riddly sort of way ? Do you want people NOT to play chess or do you want people to play chess but NOT on chess.com?

Hedgehog1963

Feb 26, 2023

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#122

The_Krieg wrote:

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

The_Krieg wrote:

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

The local chess club here in Preston, UK has had a significant increase in new people turning up this winter.

what do you mean by "significant"

significant
/sɪɡˈnɪfɪk(ə)nt/

adjective

Sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.

I understand the meaning of significant as a term. However, I am specifically asking what does he mean by "significant" How many? What is the increase being cited to support the argument that chess.com user activity is being driven by this mass increase in interest in chess. So what is the number?

30% increase since the start of the year.

And don't make the mistake of behaving like you are the arbiter of what is significant.

Hedgehog1963

Feb 26, 2023

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#123

Jared_Anthony wrote:

What's your point you are trying to make in a riddly sort of way ? Do you want people NOT to play chess or do you want people to play chess but NOT on chess.com?

Some people are of the mistaken opinion that they matter enough to be conspired against. Everything has to be about them.

Martin_Stahl

Feb 26, 2023

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#124

The_Krieg wrote:

aoidaiki wrote:

I guess I'm unblocked... for now...

I didn't block anyone from this forum topic.

It was probably a Mod censoring you because you might have alluded to an off limits topic.

Stay on topic and you won't get silenced by chess.com mods. simple

Mods don't normally delete full posts and do not have the ability to prevent someone from posting in a topic, short of a complete mute.

Martin_Stahl

Feb 26, 2023

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#125

The_Krieg wrot

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The truth is that this is a very serious issue because something causing a mass increase in daily usage and resource drain... is it increased interest in chess? this means that something is actively causing the site to fail and crash due to massive daily user activity. Intentional or otherwise. If it is a mass influx of new users worldwide who are suddenly just deciding hey I want to open a chess.com account today and play 100 games non stop for a hundred days straight then fine. But Chess.com should be able to determine whether that is true or not and identify with pinpoint accuracy why numbers increasing exponentially at any given timeframe.

There has to be something that can be identified as the real reason. Identify it, then justify that argument with supporting facts available. make the logical connection between a beginning hypothesis and the conclusion with details stated throughout so that anyone reviewing it can cite and follow the reasoning.

I'm just saying that chess.com has not done that and that might be the reason why no one is saying what is really causing the site to crash. How could it be simply attributed to only increased interest in chess. that is clearly unsubstantiated and refutably false.

The site doesn't have to. They just need to handle the traffic they are getting and position themselves to continue growing.

Sure, if they believe any significant portion is bot driven, they certainly would want to remove as much of that as possible, without impacting legitimate accounts.

As to refutably false, just because you don't believe the information being presented or think it isn't sufficient, doesn't make your belief accurate. It's pretty obvious that there has been an increase in interest in chess, in general, and there have been mutiple instances presented, some completely separate from the chess.com presented actual data showing increases.

Brushing those off shows that you just don't understand the evidence or have decided to brush off everything and call it insignificant. Just because you don't understand the reason for something, doesn't mean it's not real.

whiteknight1968

Feb 26, 2023

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#126

School kids have discovered online chess, according to my 14 year old daughter many are playing on chess.com. I am not sure why that started, but they are like sheep in their online behaviour, if one goes there lots will follow

Why not block new accounts for the time being?

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#127

oKelv wrote:

sounds like gatekeeping to me

sounds like maintaining site integrity to me

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#128

ArthurEZiegler wrote:

I think people are tired of meaningless games with fancy graphics, but with no thought involved. It's much more satisfying to be rewarded for good strategic judgements. As for people not being intellectual or having enough patience, it makes it easier when there are different levels and time constraints you can choose. So a beginner can play against opponents close to their own rating and expect to win half the time, or if they don't have patience to analyse complex positions they can play a rapid game where the moves are quick and intuitive.

I agree with the underlying message of your comment Arthur

However, I believe that chess.com really needs to determine exactly what is driving the exponential growth in daily use numbers and make it known to the chess community

I understand the desire to celebrate "numbers" as a means of putting a spotlight on chess, but numbers are not always a positive if you don't know what is causing the numbers. Take for instance chess.com. exponential growth that is so sudden that it crashes your systems and depletes server capacity to the point where systems are failing and live chess goes into 505 error protocols. It's actually harming the site and it means there is a loss of site integrity if you cannot keep it running 24 hours to 48 hours without a single crash.

In order to solve the problem, chess.com needs to be able to identify exactly what is driving the numbers up so quickly. Especially since there is nothing going on in the chess world right now to justify such rapid expansion.. so what is it?

kangusmangus

Feb 26, 2023

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#129

This whole thread is a TON of NOTHING… OP needs to get a life 🤷

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#130

Jared_Anthony wrote:

What's your point you are trying to make in a riddly sort of way ? Do you want people NOT to play chess or do you want people to play chess but NOT on chess.com?

quite the contrary

I want real people to play chess

I want chess to grow in a linear manner that is predictable based on widespread interest in chess worldwide. if there are spikes of interest because of shows like Queens Gambit etc, then that is natural progression and interest.

But to ignore the fact that chess.com numbers are growing too fast begs the question of maintaining site integrity or more appropriately sacrificing site integrity for the sake of numbers alone. numbers are meaningless and even harmful if you dont know what is driving the numbers. is it a good thing? or is it something pernicious?

The trojan horse scenario where those within the city walls embraced the arrival of the gifted horse of wood & tarnished steel... ignoring the advise of brave warrior Prince Hector, the priests & noblemen feared offending the gods more than acknowledging the potential threat posed by such an unusual object sent by their enemies as a gift to the gods.

kangusmangus

Feb 26, 2023

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#131

“Brushing those off shows that you just don't understand the evidence or have decided to brush off everything and call it insignificant. Just because you don't understand the reason for something, doesn't mean it's not real. “

OP literally made a post asking for opinions and ideas then gets mad and blocks the opinions and ideas he doesn’t like… or just down right denied them…I truly think the guy is insane lol…

kangusmangus

Feb 26, 2023

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#132

“quite the contrary

I want real people to play chess”

You’re very off putting to real people so maybe you should play bots bro 😂

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#133

Martin_Stahl wrote:

The_Krieg wrot

...

The truth is that this is a very serious issue because something causing a mass increase in daily usage and resource drain... is it increased interest in chess? this means that something is actively causing the site to fail and crash due to massive daily user activity. Intentional or otherwise. If it is a mass influx of new users worldwide who are suddenly just deciding hey I want to open a chess.com account today and play 100 games non stop for a hundred days straight then fine. But Chess.com should be able to determine whether that is true or not and identify with pinpoint accuracy why numbers increasing exponentially at any given timeframe.

There has to be something that can be identified as the real reason. Identify it, then justify that argument with supporting facts available. make the logical connection between a beginning hypothesis and the conclusion with details stated throughout so that anyone reviewing it can cite and follow the reasoning.

I'm just saying that chess.com has not done that and that might be the reason why no one is saying what is really causing the site to crash. How could it be simply attributed to only increased interest in chess. that is clearly unsubstantiated and refutably false.

The site doesn't have to. They just need to handle the traffic they are getting and position themselves to continue growing.

Sure, if they believe any significant portion is bot driven, they certainly would want to remove as much of that as possible, without impacting legitimate accounts.

As to refutably false, just because you don't believe the information being presented or think it isn't sufficient, doesn't make your belief accurate. It's pretty obvious that there has been an increase in interest in chess, in general, and there have been mutiple instances presented, some completely separate from the chess.com presented actual data showing increases.

Brushing those off shows that you just don't understand the evidence or have decided to brush off everything and call it insignificant. Just because you don't understand the reason for something, doesn't mean it's not real.

site is failing

truthfully, when the site crashes mid game & you receive messages about server capacity as a reason for the crashes and 505 errors, you know that the systems in place cannot handle the increased unusual traffic.

sadly nothing is being done & none of you know why the site is crashing so frequently or how to prevent it from happening. That's a site integrity issue at this point.

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#134

whiteknight1968 wrote:

School kids have discovered online chess, according to my 14 year old daughter many are playing on chess.com. I am not sure why that started, but they are like sheep in their online behaviour, if one goes there lots will follow

Why not block new accounts for the time being?

Isn't it logical? But Chess.com is...

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#135

Martin_Stahl wrote:

The_Krieg wrote:

aoidaiki wrote:

I guess I'm unblocked... for now...

I didn't block anyone from this forum topic.

It was probably a Mod censoring you because you might have alluded to an off limits topic.

Stay on topic and you won't get silenced by chess.com mods. simple

Mods don't normally delete full posts and do not have the ability to prevent someone from posting in a topic, short of a complete mute.

Mods lock forum topics all the time...

It's censorship in its coldest form because it can be abused and arbitrary to be honest

Isn't it odd that daily user numbers are growing so quickly on chess.com without anything happening in chess????? I mean there is literally nothing happening right now. If anyone is objectively looking into this, then please search online for chess related events happening today. Nothing noteworthy is happening. so with nothing happening, people are rushing to open a chess.com account to play 100s of games nonstop for 30 days logging on every day because they suddenly got hooked on chess?

I do have an igloo in Montana to sell you if you believe that...

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#136

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

The_Krieg wrote:

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

The_Krieg wrote:

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

The local chess club here in Preston, UK has had a significant increase in new people turning up this winter.

what do you mean by "significant"

significant
/sɪɡˈnɪfɪk(ə)nt/

adjective

Sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.

I understand the meaning of significant as a term. However, I am specifically asking what does he mean by "significant" How many? What is the increase being cited to support the argument that chess.com user activity is being driven by this mass increase in interest in chess. So what is the number?

30% increase since the start of the year.

And don't make the mistake of behaving like you are the arbiter of what is significant.

Significance is not arbitrary. it is quantifiable.

30% increase of 10 is 3 more people. That's insignificant

kangusmangus

Feb 26, 2023

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#137

OP IS A BROKEN RECORD DUDE…… is this all you do with your day?

kangusmangus

Feb 26, 2023

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#138

What’s insignificant is this thread

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#139

I wonder what the real numbers are on chess.com...

How many new accounts & what is the mass exponential growth factor that is causing systems to fail?

Can someone reveal this information to us so that we can assist with maintaining the site's integrity?

The_Krieg

Feb 26, 2023

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#140

Hedgehog1963 wrote:

Jared_Anthony wrote:

What's your point you are trying to make in a riddly sort of way ? Do you want people NOT to play chess or do you want people to play chess but NOT on chess.com?

Some people are of the mistaken opinion that they matter enough to be conspired against. Everything has to be about them.

I don't think that chess.com is conspiring to generate false numbers. I believe the numbers are real but attributing the exponential growth in daily user numbers to "something" unknown or unspoken of is unacceptable. No company could survive or have a long term plan without understanding what is driving numbers on its site and causing crashes daily.

I think everyone knows that there needs to be a serious methodological inquiry into this...