Pieces Look the same... Move the same... BORING.
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Red to move and win.
If you can't find the correct move, you can't say checkers is easy.
If you can't fix your sink drain, you can't form an opinion of how hard or easy plumbing is. If you can't lift 500 lbs, you can't comment on how strong somebody else has to be to do it. If you can't approach the speed of light, you can't prove or disprove anything about the theory of relativity...?
It's just a bad argument.
You can say chess players' opinions are not credible. They are though, just to varying degrees, exactly like your opinion. The mathematical and historical facts stand as they are:
1. Solving Checkers was/is 30 orders of magnitude easier than solving chess
2. Checkers is subjectively a less engaging game, as proven by history worldwide over centuries. It will never be where where Chess sits, any more than Chess will ever eclipse the World Cup. The barrier of boredom/entry to reach the "bottomless well" you alluded to earlier is too wide a gulf as Checkers was designed. The average person tends to drop the game before they reach it...because the basic mechanics are too simplistic to hold engagement.
It's a good game, but as a game designer, one would have to say Chess is just a better, more engaging design, subjectively (historically) and objectively. Connect 4 is a game that also is solved, but can also be "saved" by simply continuing to expand the parameters...12x12 board, 20x20 board, connect 5, connect 6, add new starting positions...etc. It's still a simplistic game, and ultimately tends to bore people after a while. On the spectrum of good game design, I would put Checkers closer to Connect 4 than to Chess. Â
There's no particular reason you need to prove otherwise, is there? If you enjoy Checkers, nobody else's opinion should really matter. You have reached the bottomless well. Throw yourself in and have fun?
Not exactly true. Â There are 2 types of tournaments (actually 3) GAYP or freestyle in which the opening is chosen by the participants such as in chess and also 3 move where the opening is ballotted and random. Â The third is less often played but occasionally. Â So standard position tournaments are played and we have a world champion GM Lubabalo Kondlo from South Africa in GAYP and GM Sergio Scarpetta from Italy in 3 move. Â Current world champion in 11 man ballot the other type is GM Alexander Moiseyev. Â Â All great checker players. Â
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I was shocked when I looked at the forums here and saw the comments reserved especially for the game of checkers and kept quiet about the fact I play both.  But after the club was started it is obvious that many people can play and enjoy both these games and all we ask is some politeness.   If you don’t like checkers and can’t play it.  Don’t.  But don’t feel the need to put down the game and those who do play and enjoy it.Â
First quoted paragraph:
The need for these formats just proves my point.Â
In any case, Chess suffers the same, just a lesser degree. Tournaments move to faster time controls and ridiculous mechanics like armageddon tiebreakers in an effort to get mainstream engagement for a game this is competing with more exciting spectator sports/games.
Second quoted paragraph:
It's not like there's any campaign going on . Over the years, Checkers comments tend to occur when it is brought up by someone comparing its fundamental complexity specifically to Chess. If your "club" (is there some covert war going on I have completely missed?) is getting harassed, that is something I would definitely deal with via appropriate channels here on the site. If, however, your club members are just diving into threads and getting their noses bent out of shape when the average chess.com member won't tow the line on chess/checkers comparisons...that is the club members' insecurity/issues.
If anyone has an issue with the historical popularity and social status of Chess vs. Checkers, it is kind of like self-inflicted punishment to argue in a bastion of Chess about it. Â
Sometimes people here complain about Texas Hold'Em and the economical viability of a career in Poker over Chess...Poker players could whine about the NBA...same phenoms, same advice.
Hey Gothic... how about you invent a new cross between Chess and Checker?Â
And you can include the castle thing... with a head of horse?!
Cat... you getting on my nerves?!
Mind you... that piece is rather bizzare... thought he was the chancellor?
But the castle on wheels... with a horses head?!
Because... is a castle... but head of horse?!
And the other piece is like... a giant hard on or something?!
Maybe is too confusing... how about we have extra knight and bishop instead?
I have a friend in an abstract board games club who also invents games and plays almost any game of skill.  Doesn’t like chance.  Has had me playing Armenian draughts, Lines of Action and a few others.  Very clever. Â
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Red to move and win.
No chess player I have ever asked gets it right.
the red one on the right goes to 6.
Use the numbering please. Â Chessiesystem101 Â Just like chess checkers has a standard notation so we can communicate.Â
I don’t know anything about politics.  And I don’t what American politicians play and don’t really care. Â
That's why it's a more difficult game. You can be in a LOST position on move 2, and it could take another 100 moves for the opponent to win it. You mock what you do not understand.
Glad to see you have backed off this position to the more realistic "checkers is more complex than you think"...but why not just admit it rather than trying to pretend you held a different position all along?
Says another chess player that cannot find even the best first move.
Is there anyone that can solve this?Â
Nobody cares about your pet endgame problem. I guess you have failed to realize this, having posted it so many times now. It's a false test supporting an illogical conclusion. I could post some quadratic equation proof and tell you that you can't comment on a general math thread unless you solve it, but that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
I should start a thread asking why so many Chess variant creators tend to be yappy dweebs that post the same failed arguments ad nauseum...Wardog-whoever and Vickalan being another couple of good examples. The thing is I already know the answer though...it takes a certain ego to assure oneself that they can improve upon a game that evolved over centuries and centuries, and then to evangelize their results to the public. It must be a little hard when said variants inevitably languish in obscurity...
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Yeah, challenging me in math. Not the best way to make your point.
Continuing to insist checkers is an easy game, yet no chess player on this site can solve a problem with only 9 pieces on the board. Best way to prove my point.
Checkers is a complex game. Few people, including chess players, understand it.
By the way, I helped, in a small way, the team that solved the game of checkers in 2007. Huge computer science project
https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/thankyou/
I know what I am talking about.
Nobody challenged you in math...that's not just a little dense to assume, it's also egotistical. I don't need or want to challenge you personally, because you don't mean jack to me. It was an example of the same thing you did. You know, so that you could figure out how your logic/arguments are not working. For you, though, it was just another opportunity to whip out something (hidden subconscious agenda much?), in this case your little YouTube video (why would I even click on it?) instead of your pet Checkers problem (unexamined and irrelevant). Why not just post your online IQ test results and a scanned photo of your Mensa membership card and get it all out on the table at once?
Also, I never said Checkers was an easy game (it's not). Have fun reading the whole thread looking for that...
Maybe because nobody care about your stupid composition...
As i saying... if you guys hate Chess so much, go play on dumdum Checker site?!