Why is my puzzle rating awesome but my chess rating trash?

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My puzzle rating is at 2500 and my own chess rating is about 1200 average. How to make that better?

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That's the same with mine! My puzzle is always over 1200 but my chess is always under 600.

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CDRED141 wrote:

That's the same with mine! My puzzle is always over 1200 but my chess is always under 600.

Mine's almost 2,000, but my rating (rapid) is 940-950.
I don't know why chess is like this, but my best guess is because puzzles let you learn basic stuff, and a little bit of stratigies, but the problem could be an opening you play, or you hang a piece, or you move the wrong piece, and get forked etc.

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ClumsyMinute wrote:
CDRED141 wrote:

That's the same with mine! My puzzle is always over 1200 but my chess is always under 600.

Mine's almost 2,000, but my rating (rapid) is 940-950.
I don't know why chess is like this, but my best guess is because puzzles let you learn basic stuff, and a little bit of stratigies, but the problem could be an opening you play, or you hang a piece, or you move the wrong piece, and get forked etc.

most of time, you are missing the tactics you are finding in your games because in a puzzle you know there is a solution, maybe you guess you are winning, but in a game you don't know.

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Batman2508 wrote:
ClumsyMinute wrote:
CDRED141 wrote:

That's the same with mine! My puzzle is always over 1200 but my chess is always under 600.

Mine's almost 2,000, but my rating (rapid) is 940-950.
I don't know why chess is like this, but my best guess is because puzzles let you learn basic stuff, and a little bit of stratigies, but the problem could be an opening you play, or you hang a piece, or you move the wrong piece, and get forked etc.

most of time, you are missing the tactics you are finding in your games because in a puzzle you know there is a solution, maybe you guess you are winning, but in a game you don't know.

That's also likely.

Avatar of keep1teasy

probably because you are trash at chess idk (going off of "my chess rating is trash" part)

Avatar of InsertInterestingNameHere

In puzzles, you know there is a winning move. You know there is a brilliancy you are supposed to look for. You don’t know that in a real game.

Avatar of jg777chess

Hi,

Chess is more than solving puzzles. If you use puzzles for what they are meant for, learning to break down positions and understand what is going on, it'll help your chess much better than if you just look for X tactic shot, play it, never remember the structures, piece layouts and interactions between the pieces ect. It's not uncommon to have puzzle ratings hundreds of points higher than your game ratings.

-Jordan

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2,000 puzzles simply put are easy. There's nothing special about that. 

Avatar of MatthewFreitag

1. All puzzle ratings are inflated.

2. Puzzles don't help you make a plan.

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jg777chess wrote:

Hi,

Chess is more than solving puzzles. If you use puzzles for what they are meant for, learning to break down positions and understand what is going on, it'll help your chess much better than if you just look for X tactic shot, play it, never remember the structures, piece layouts and interactions between the pieces ect. It's not uncommon to have puzzle ratings hundreds of points higher than your game ratings.

-Jordan

You are so right! Puzzles have helped me a lot!

Avatar of RedFastMath

I guess it is more planning. sad.png

Avatar of kvasir3

Maybe you have the wrong plans? I did overhear some 1400ish planning. What they said was

  1. Move queen out.
  2. Move around.
  3. ...
  4. Checkmate every time.

 

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because puzzles are a lot quicker to gain rating on, you dont have to play a whole game to do them

Avatar of hrarray
I’m 2200 in puzzles and around 1450, I guess I am just bad at puzzles lol
Avatar of AnxiousPetrosianFan

I think it's common. My puzzle rating is far higher than my game ratings, I think it's true for a lot of people. Maybe the puzzles aren't rated the same way as games, or as others have said with a puzzle you know there is something to find, in a game it's like every single move is a different puzzle and there may or may not be something great to find.

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yes, puzzles are not chess! Some things already been said here: You know, that there is a taktik  here that let you win; you can easily do a dozend puzzles whithin the time of a 30 min game; but there are more reasons: when you do the right move, even without knowing the whole sequenze who leads to the right end you can think for the next move you still can be shure you are on the right way (otherwise the puzzle were gone). Sometimes I think I know the answer, the puzzle goes on and in one part the other side makes a move I did not consider. But because the puzzle is still there I know that there is a solution even if it´s not the one I thought. This never can happen in an actual game! And if you are a player of shorter games there is another big difference: you have plenty of time to solve the situation. Ok, if you solve it quickly you get much more points, but even if you take 30 min for one puzzle you still get some points. So, I think, is not a miracle that nearly everyone has a better puzzle rating than the game ratings.

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Who says that puzzles and ratings are established around the same centre? It's like temperature scales. If a yank says its 40 outside, they put on a coat and try to find a sunny spot. If it's 40 here, I'm looking for a shady spot in a beer garden

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Good question. I think you already know the answer.

Puzzles are not chess. Opening books are not chess. Endgame study is not chess. Strategy exercises are not chess. Watching matches is not chess. Listening to commentators is not chess. 

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#1
How much time do you spend solving a puzzle?
How much time do you spend on a move when you play?
The time per move playing should be longer, as you do not have a hint if there is a tactic or not and for which side.