Why is the knight only worth three pawns?

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masjas2016
Why is the knight only worth three pawns (the same as the bishop)?

I honestly think it should be worth 4 pawns worth of material rather than just 3. I mean, it is such a sneaky piece. It is the only piece that can jump and the only piece that can check the king where the king cannot capture. The stinking knight has caused me so much havoc and grief in my beginner stages as a chess player.

Any good reasons why it’s not worth more?
ed1975

I've played so many games where the only thing holding my opponent's entire position together was a defensive knight. I sometimes think in some scenarios it can be worth as much as a queen. It's equally devastating in attack, too.

Laskersnephew

Obviously, that 3-point evaluation is just a rule of thumb. There are plenty of positions where the knight is worth quite a bit more than three pawns, particularly when it is participating in an attack on the king. But in the endgame, the knight is very clumsy trying to defend against a bunch of advancing passed pawns. And a lone knight struggles and often fails to hold the draw against three enemy pawns

Colby-Covington

Statistics.

The probability of open positions occurring that favor a bishop over a knight is far higher, which is why a knight is worth 3 points and a bishop 3.5, according to Bobby Fisher.

WeylTransform
Colby-Covington wrote:

Statistics.

The probability of open positions occurring that favor a bishop over a knight is far higher, which is why a knight is worth 3 points and a bishop 3.5, according to Bobby Fisher.

Well, in Fischer’s book (Bobby Fischer  Teaches Chess), he places the Bishop’s value at 3.25. I believe I witnessed Kasparov putting this a few hundredths lower in the WIRED video featuring him answering questions.

JamesColeman

That WIRED video was quite funny. One of the questions was from a GM but I don't think Garry realised.

Rat1960

Three pawns can attack six squares maximum (could be 4)
A knight can attack eight squares maximum (could be 2)

When I was a kid I wrote down the number of squares a knight and bishop could move to in a GM game. Then I thought oh but some of them are silly moves. Got some way into a re-write and thought, nah somebody else did this to get 3 pawns for each and went with trust.

WeylTransform
JamesColeman wrote:

That WIRED video was quite funny. One of the questions was from a GM but I don't think Garry realised.

The world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that think. WIRED videos are generally on the comedy domain, thus requiring thinking. Electrical engineering is dangerous, as it requires wires, and henceforth thinking.

In all seriousness, it genuinely was particularly whimsical when some questioner inquired about a knight movement or something by utilising ‘jargon’ such as horsey. For all we may know, the questioner could be a supergrandmaster.

knightscape007

Because the knight is only more valuable in endgame positions with fewer porns to zap it up in other positions it’s a useless ting so the average is 3

Colby-Covington

Yeah, I got that wrong, Fisher said the bishop is worth 3.25 points.

Also lol at the guy who asked why we castle and restrict the king's movement, but Gary didn't get it.🤣

4xel

I use a rule of thumb slightly more refined than the "3 pawns" one.

To me, a knight is worth as many pawns as its number of moves. So a knight on its starting position is worth 3 pawns, as we all know, a knight on the corner is really bad and worth only 2 pawns, while a knight on f3 is worth 8 pawns.

Quasimorphy

I'd say the lower the rating of the players, the more the knight is worth.

knightscape007
Quasimorphy wrote:

I'd say the lower the rating of the players, the more the knight is worth.

Must be worth a fortune when you’re playing then

Colby-Covington
knightscape007 wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I'd say the lower the rating of the players, the more the knight is worth.

Must be worth a fortune when you’re playing then

Ouch.😂 

Come on, be nice.

Edit: Wait a second, you're FIDE 3000 rated?🤨

Quasimorphy
knightscape007 wrote:

Must be worth a fortune when you’re playing then

Good one.

Quasimorphy

Fun Morphy game with some really stinking knights:

 

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1224566

Colby-Covington

@knightscape007

How are you FIDE 3000 rated?

I'm kinda blown away right now.😲

drmrboss

These are Stockfish's material value evaluation(

1. Middle game

 

 

2. This is material value in endgame

 

 

https://hxim.github.io/Stockfish-Evaluation-Guide/

 

 

Note. Those value doesnt involve other bonus/ penalities ( e.g passed pawn bonus/ double pawn penality)

 

As you can see, the value of pawn become almost double from middle game to endgame.

 

ponz111

The knight is worth more than 3 pawns.  The 3 pawn Idea is for beginners who are just starting to learn.

ponz111

Even in  the opening position a knight is worth more than 3 pawns---but NOT 4 pawns,