Why is this game so male-dominated?

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Midel

In addition, chess belongs to a certain class of technical sports, where the distinction between men's and women's tournaments is not necessary.

batgirl
Scottrf wrote:

Some more stats (all FIDE):

Average (mean) player: 1920, male 1932, female 1804.

Average (mean) inactive player: 1972 (higher than active players as expected - a lot of the active wont have hit peak), inactive male 1980, inactive female 1883.

Average active player: 1879, male 1893, female 1737.

Median (all): Male 1954, female 1818.

I'm a bit confused, or at least uneducated, in these matters (I'm not a tournament player).  I fully understand how one gets a USCF rating, but, although the USCF is affiliated with FIDE, I don't think one automatically obtains a FIDE rating by being a member of the USCF.  So how does one obtain a FIDE rating?

The average FIDE rating seems very, very highly skewed. The mean for all players is 1902.  According to the UFCF, the mean 2004 rating for all players was 1068.   So, it's apparent that different sets, different levels, of players are being rated.   What's the deal here?

chessmasterULTRA
conejiux wrote:

The reason is the brains differences... Each gender has its abilities.

Why is everybody  acting like girls and boys are different species? They're both human!

batgirl
Pelikan_Player wrote:

Average and mean are not the same thing so shouldn't imply that they are by placing one in parentheses after the other. Based on stats I've seen on the USCF website, the average (not mean) rating for tournament players is well below 1500. I'll check to make sure my memory isn't playing tricks on me later today when I have time.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 100 - Mean in this series is 4 (equal number of scores above and below it.) Average is 17.29 (sum of all scores divided by number of scores.)

I'm not a mathematician, but I think mean and average are precisely the same things and what you describe in your last paragraph is the median.

batgirl
chessmasterULTRA wrote:
conejiux wrote:

The reason is the brains differences... Each gender has its abilities.

Why is everybody  acting like girls and boys are different species? They're both human!

Well, it seems a very small difference might (or might not) mean a lot. Chimpanzees are said to have 99% of the same dna as humans, but with the exception of a few people I know, they are very different from humans.  Women and men are definitely different in many ways, but whether that difference is significant in terms of chess isn't quite so clear.

Scottrf
Pelikan_Player wrote:

Average and mean are not the same thing so shouldn't imply that they are by placing one in parentheses after the other. Based on stats I've seen on the USCF website, the average (not mean) rating for tournament players is well below 1500. I'll check to make sure my memory isn't playing tricks on me later today when I have time.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 100 - Mean in this series is 4 (equal number of scores above and below it.) Average is 17.29 (sum of all scores divided by number of scores.)

How about you improve your knowledge in maths from where I was at at about ten before telling me how to present the data?

batgirl
Scottrf wrote:
Pelikan_Player wrote:
 

How about you improve your knowledge in maths from where I was at at about ten before telling me how to present the data?

I think he was only trying to help me, but got confused with the terms (which I'm just learning about).

pdela

Can someone show me the conclusions you have arrived at after 546 posts?Smile

batgirl
pdela wrote:

Can someone show me the conclusions you have arrived at after 546 posts?

Draw your own.

pdela

To me these following questions have similar answers to the one posted here:

- Why athletism velocity is so black-dominated?

- Why swimming and cycling is so white-dominated?

- Why beautifulness is so batgirl-dominated?

pdela

Maybe this is not politically correct, but it is a opinion and it may be incorrect, but I think that for some reason certain colectives are more gifted for the development of a certain activity than other colectives are. As batgirl has also been gifted with more beautifulness that I was.

I don't rule out the possibility things tend to equalize or even some swap may take place for future generations.

pdela
Pelikan_Player wrote:

I see pdela's got a Holden Caulfield quote in his profile. Did JD Salinger write anything noteworthy other than "Catcher in the Rye?" Just curious about that. I seem to think that was his one and only noteworthy book but could be wrong

Without checking it, I would say not. He was an hermit. A strange man on his own, I even think he could just has written this book. Therefore a famous and an infamous one

pdela
Pelikan_Player wrote:

Check out "The Good Earth" by Pearl S. Buck if you get a chance. Great book and a classic too:)

thanks hope I have time

batgirl

I know Salinger wrote a great book about former child prodigies from the Glass family called "Franny and Zooey," and a book of 2 short stories "Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenters" and "Seymour," both about other members of the Glass family.

creepingdeath1974
Stevie65 wrote:
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Scottrf wrote:
trysts wrote:
Scottrf wrote:

Average active, Armenian: 2042, American 2047, Norwegian 1945, Russian 1978, Englishman 1976.

Why are the Armenians better at chess than the Englishmen? Is it because the Englishmen are uncompetitive and soft? Do they just spend too much time raising kids while the Armenians are more hunter-gatherer types? Are the Armenians just "hard-wired" to focus on chess while the Englishmen are more adept at multi-tasking? 

One of the few countries where chess is mandatory in schools.

That is because Bobby Fischer said it plainly himself that 'America sees itself as a football country. A baseball country. Nobody, sees it as an intellectual country.' Could you imagine if all the American colleges and universities and even all the public and private schools from grades 1-12 were to incorporate chess as part of the learning curriculum? They wouldn't have the reputation for being the party school types then.

Eh!  Which sport do Americans put there feet to the ball in?

In other countries, it is known as futbol, however in America we call it soccer. I may be slightly inebriated, but I am not that stupid. Besides, I get to have the "wonderful" privilege of being able to watch football, baseball, basketball, hockey and just about any other sporting event here in America that it almost makes me completely sick. I wish, they would show more chess here in America, but when it comes to the sports media channels, they would rather broadcast the American National Spelling Bee championship then the World Chess championship.

nameno1had

P!$$#$ me off too .....about the wcc

Elubas

It's harder to get into FIDE because first of all you have to find tournaments that are FIDE rated, second, there are strict things you need to get the minimum 9 FIDE games. For your first three they must all be played at the same tournament (if you play 2 in one tournament, they don't count), and you must score .5/3. The next two sets of 3 are less strict, they can just accumulate from tournament to tournament, but you must still score .5/3.

It can be hard to find FIDE rated events, and America is one of those places. Those with a FIDE rating are generally already quite active and strong tournament players I would imagine, so it doesn't represent the, say, people under 1500 quite as well.

I guess you could call that being skewed toward the non-novices. If we instead took a median or average of people who have been active in tournaments for only a year or something (newer tournament players), perhaps in a national chess federation, the results between men and women could be different. I remember hearing things like how boys and girls do equally well (or are at least equally present) on elementary school teams, but as years go by it starts to become male-dominated.

batgirl
Elubas wrote:

 

It can be hard to find FIDE rated events, and America is one of those places. Those with a FIDE rating are generally already quite active and strong tournament players I would imagine, so it doesn't represent the, say, people under 1500 quite as well.

I guess you could call that being skewed to the non-novices.

 

Thanks. I suspected something of that nature, though not the specifics.  So, really  FIDE ratings compare people with much tournament experience and the rating averages of any group are more affected by higher skilled players than lower skilled ones?

Elubas

batgirl: Yeah, that sounds fair.

batgirl
Elubas wrote:

batgirl: Yeah, that sounds fair.

So, from the get-go, FIDE rating averages favor male players of female players?  Not, if this is true, that this means anything other than the presented 100-150 pt. gap may not be as it might seem on the surface.

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