Saying that it's cultural is very ignorant. If it were cultural we would expect to see only certain cultures this way, but as it turns out every culture on Earth has men that are better than women at chess.
Why is this game so male-dominated?
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PAMetalBoss wrote:
Saying that it's cultural is very ignorant. If it were cultural we would expect to see only certain cultures this way, but as it turns out every culture on Earth has men that are better than women at chess.
In some cultures, women can't even drive.
Does that include the time males daydream (of female GM's)?
It is said money talks and bu!!$#!t walks....
Who is the highest paid chess player ?
....not bad for an inferior, compared to her superiors ? dominating the chess earnings ? .....lol. I rest my case....
StrengthInPawns wrote:
pdela doesn't get it. My mistake. (TitanCG doesn't even come close)
It's well known that IQ tests were renormed so that female-dominating tasks were more heavily weighted.
It's true that among women, variance is lower, which is why there are more geniuses (and probably retards) among men than women.
But there is no question that men, on average, have a *type* of intelligence that is more adaptable to playing chess.
Do you think the first IQ tests that you keep mentioning were created by men or women? I won't bother telling you what I think.
Thank you.
The Polgar sisters' story, and the level Judit managed to reach in Chess, show that there's no actual biological reason for females to be weaker players than males.
The reasons for "male dominance" in Chess are purely historical and social.
yes, but it revolves around preferential also......
May 16, 2013
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SPARTANEMESIS wrote:
StrengthInPawns wrote:
pdela doesn't get it. My mistake. (TitanCG doesn't even come close)
It's well known that IQ tests were renormed so that female-dominating tasks were more heavily weighted.
It's true that among women, variance is lower, which is why there are more geniuses (and probably retards) among men than women.
But there is no question that men, on average, have a *type* of intelligence that is more adaptable to playing chess.
Do you think the first IQ tests that you keep mentioning were created by men or women? I won't bother telling you what I think.
It's true that the tests themselves could be biased by the people that made them. I would prefer to see how they're biased. Not only were there claims that they were gender biased, but also culturally biased. Without the information of how they're biased, one couldn't simply say the bias was because males were stronger in this area, while women were stronger in that area, and to balance it, the tests were given more weight in the women's area.
It's quite the spin to say it was renormed so women would appear average. The problem is, if it was wrong to begin with, then it would be necessary to rectify them.
Someone needs to do a study, preferably one involving a super computer and hundreds of hours. If it is done on a parralel system, the hundreds of hours could be done in 23 minutes, and if the results are compressed it could happen almost instantly.
May 16, 2013
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StrengthInPawns wrote:
Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't alter its validity.
Only your credibility.
The only valid part is that the tests were revised because of the claims of bias. To say that the reasoning is because women are inferior is pure spin.
For someone who's been talking about truth, evidence, and logic he seems to be lacking in all three. I think a better question might be:
Is it better to devote more time to scheming pawns; or pawn schemes?
I'm just thinking out loud really....
My daughter loves the game, and is very good. I find the differentiation between gender fascinating. Having discussed this topic with other women players, one thing becomes clear. Boys/men don't like to lose to a female. So, they don't like to play a female. These male players make some pretty nasty comments. This over time becomes very discouraging to female players. The cultural shift that needs to happen is in the chess "boys club", that female players are welcomed and encouraged.
campbellh wrote:
My daughter loves the game, and is very good. I find the differentiation between gender fascinating. Having discussed this topic with other women players, one thing becomes clear. Boys/men don't like to lose to a female. So, they don't like to play a female. These male players make some pretty nasty comments. This over time becomes very discouraging to female players. The cultural shift that needs to happen is in the chess "boys club", that female players are welcomed and encouraged.
Could these idiots explain exactly WHY it bothers them more to lose to a female player?
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
Could these idiots explain exactly WHY it bothers them more to lose to a female player?
I don't think so. I have talked to the female coaches at the Nashville Chess Center. They all tell the same story. It just amazes me, in this day and age, that chess is so - lets call it "old school".
campbellh wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
Could these idiots explain exactly WHY it bothers them more to lose to a female player?
I don't think so. I have talked to the female coaches at the Nashville Chess Center. They all tell the same story. It just amazes me, in this day and age, that chess is so - lets call it "old school".
It's not just chess, believe me.
Feeling threatened by others when they accomplish something, and the need to feel smarter than some group, be it gender or some other race, comes from a deep-seated insecurity. Such people are emotionally weak, and frightened, way deep down. Thus the nasty remarks, and hostility.
After declaring he is always superior to women, I thought his sex life must be boring, but then I realized, he is too smart for any women and thus has no sex life...