When the power goes out in OTB, we wait for it to come back. No one gets an win. You earn a win in OTB, just like you earn it here.
Why isn't there touch move online?
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Mar 23, 2021
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Nwap111 wrote:
When the power goes out in OTB, we wait for it to come back. No one gets an win. You earn a win in OTB, just like you earn it here.
Actually, the way they have it is you lose when you lose connection usually. There might be a reconnect period, but I have never had that work. By the time I realize I was disconnected my reconnect time is used up.
Yeah, misclicks are very annoying.
Online chess programs all violate the OTB touch- move rule. I suspect it was primarily about programming issues at the beginning of internet play.
It could be different - as in click-it ... move it. But programs were written not to recognize a move as being played until the piece is dropped/ released by the mouse.
The practice of picking up any piece- (hovering it over any square and visualizing the position) having the option to return the piece and choosing another piece to move has become so ingrained and accepted as normal practice that it will never be changed. Most players fail to understand- the practice as interpreted in OTB play is viewed as unethical and violates fair play. It is a form of outside assistance - the ability to visualize the position 1/2 move in advance and basically doing a take-back move.
The reasoning behind the original programmers can only be speculated at. What I do know- it’s not about much of the guessing being seen here. This was 30+ years ago. Considerations were of software and not the hardware- past or future. (that many are suggesting)
If programs were rewritten today to include click- it (and pick it up) ... move- it (as in touch move rule) GM’s to beginners would be up in arms. It’s been this way for far to long to reverse.
The 1st programmers decided to ignore the OTB touch move rule. Most likely(?) because it made their job a whole lot easier.
Mar 24, 2021
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#49
StormCentre3 wrote:
Online chess programs all violate the OTB touch- move rule. I suspect it was primarily about programming issues at the beginning of internet play.
It could be different - as in click-it ... move it. But programs were written not to recognize a move as being played until the piece is dropped/ released by the mouse.
The practice of picking up any piece- (hovering it over any square and visualizing the position) having the option to return the piece and choosing another piece to move has become so ingrained and accepted as normal practice that it will never be changed. Most players fail to understand- the practice as interpreted in OTB play is viewed as unethical and violates fair play. It is a form of outside assistance - the ability to visualize the position 1/2 move in advance and basically doing a take-back move.
There is another reason for the touch move rule in OTB. People were touching pieces and looking to their opponent for their reaction.....like a string bet in poker. Obviously, in online chess it is not possible to cheat in this manner unless you are on camera while playing.
Mouse slips....
what if you touch a piece that can't be legally moved? what happens then?
Mar 25, 2021
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#52
BurgerKe2 wrote:
what if you touch a piece that can't be legally moved? what happens then?
Nothing, unless you seem to be doing it to distract or troll your opponent... in which case the Arbiter can simply forfeit you.
The touch move rule is necessary for several good reasons. One important consequence that gets over- looked regards the opponent who is also analyzing the position. Besides the 1st player gaining an advantage by forgoing the rule- the opponent is placed at a great disadvantage- if it were allowed. He is concentrating on the position and imagine the disconcertion at seeing pieces moved about and returned to original squares !
batgirl wrote:
Why aren't there mouseslips OTB?
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We all know that touch move OTB can be included in chess.com rules but a problem will rise if a user uses a second party programs to deny this rule. These programs could be a form of cheat and these types of things are hard to detect by chess.com server compared to using chess engines to improve play where they can use algorithms to see it. Anyway, you have a nice idea of thinking if this rule should be implemented but sadly it is not sound enough to be made in action.
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