Why most of the great chess players are jews?

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Somebodysson
aww-rats wrote:

 

Fischer's father, Paul Nemenyi, was a Hungarian Jew.  look at his photo: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Nemenyi

wow. 

WGF79

There can be many reasons, you decide which one(s) you pick:

 

 

1. Jews have the better genes (racial superiority over non-Jews).

2. Jews raise their children diffrent than non-Jews, in a way which leads to a better brain development (social reasons).

3. Jews are the chosen people and blessed by god, as written in jewish holy books (religious reason).

4. Chess is an important part of Jewish culture, so that every child learns it at an early age (cultural reason).

5. Jews have more free time to spend for such things as chess.

6. It's all coincidence.

7. Whatever.

odisea777

I admire the Jewish people in general, though there are (obviously) exceptions; most Jews I've known have been hardworking, intelligent, successful, self-sufficient. I don't understand why they have been attacked and despised so often historically. People are people man...

p-r4

I answer with a question. Why are so many Noble prize winners Jewish?

denner

Let's blow it up once and for all... If one says Jews are a race separate and distinct from other people regardless of ethnic origin because of their culture then one may also state that American Blacks are a separate and distince race from African Blacks because of their culture. See how ridiculous it sounds now?

Ubik42
denner90 wrote:

Let's blow it up once and for all... If one says Jews are a race separate and distinct from other people regardless of ethnic origin because of their culture then one may also state that American Blacks are a separate and distince race from African Blacks because of their culture. See how ridiculous it sounds now?

Yes, that would be nuts!

But, of course, that is not the claim.

Somebodysson
landlubberdolphin wrote:

what kind of rating gain can i expect if i convert to jewism?

depends.

denner
AngeloPardi wrote:

There is one thing to understand about Judaism : 
it's not only a religion, it's also a people, and a culture. So you can be an atheist, a christian or a muslim, and still be a jew.

 

Ubik42

http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

Like I said back in post #69, the claim is not a cultural one.

ifoody
AngeloPardi wrote:

There is one thing to understand about Judaism : 
it's not only a religion, it's also a people, and a culture. So you can be an atheist, a christian or a muslim, and still be a jew.

 

Not exactly, but somewhat close. There is a big arguement about the definition of a jew. The well known definition today, divides into jewish people-nation and jewish religion. Of course the jewish people has something to do with the jewish religion, but a lot of jewish people today are atheist. I think when somebody for example turn himself into muslim or christian, he's not a jew anymore, mostly because he don't want it. Most people that change their religion, also don't really wanna be a part of the jewish nation.

Most jewish chess players were atheist, but it's just because they didn't really care about it, they didn't study torah and such, and prefered to invest their time in chess.

By the way, of course not all of the chess players were completley atheists, like akiva rubinstein for example.

And at last, here is the continuation of your list in the beginning:

Peter Svidler
Aron Nimzowitch
Akiba Rubinstein
Alexander Khalifman
Simon Winawer
Miguel Najdorf
Teimour Radjabov
Gregory Kadanov

And finally, yes, mr. bobby fischer was a jew, but he was a little crazy, and anti-semi, so i don't think he's a real jewish pride.

Ubik42
ifoody wrote:
 

Most jewish chess players were atheist, but it's just because they didn't really care about it, they didn't study torah and such, and prefered to invest their time in chess.

 

Citation needed that this was the reason.

My own hypothesis is that it was because they were smarter, but I can't cite evidence for it.

DiogenesDue
p-r4 wrote:

I answer with a question. Why are so many Noble prize winners Jewish?

For starters, they can probably spell Nobel prize correctly.

Ubik42
btickler wrote:
p-r4 wrote:

I answer with a question. Why are so many Noble prize winners Jewish?

For starters, they can probably spell Nobel prize correctly.

Be charitable. Perhaps the poor chap was inquiring only about Nobel prize winners who were descended from nobility.

denner
Ubik42 wrote:

http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

Like I said back in post #69, the claim is not a cultural one.

One study by one man does not a convincing argument make. I don't buy it. You're telling me that a Jew from the middle east and a Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) Jew are more closly related than a Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) Jew and any other Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) because they both call themselves Jewish? I'm calling BS on that one.

edit: Skewed sample with an agenda.

Ubik42
denner90 wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:

http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

Like I said back in post #69, the claim is not a cultural one.

One study by one man does not a convincing argument make. I don't buy it. You're telling me that a Jew from the middle east and a Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) Jew are more closly related than a Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) Jew and any other Russian (Polish, Spanish fill in the ethnicity) ? I'm calling BS on that one.

Thats what the DNA shows. I don't know why it should be that surprising given the near fanatical determination of jews over the centuries to only marry other jews. DNA does not spread through the air.

denner

Are Muslims a separate race? How about different castes in India? There are many groups fanatical about breeding only among themselves, this does not constitute a racial divide. I'll grant that Middle Eastern Jews and other Arabic/Persian peoples may be genectically distinct, there you have millenia of division based on religion, but this does not spread out into other ethnicities due strictly to how they worship their god. It does not even make sense. Like I said ,skewed sample with an agenda.

einstein99

According to Torah, the Arabic peoples and the Israelites both descended from Abraham, the Arabs through Ishmael and the Israelites(Hebrews) through Isaaic.

Ubik42
denner90 wrote:

Are Muslims a separate race? How about different castes in India? There are many groups fanatical about breeding only among themselves, this does not constitute a racial divide. I'll grant that Middle Eastern Jews and other Arabic/Persian peoples may be genectically distinct, there you have millenia of division based on religion, but this does not spread out into other ethnicities due strictly to how they worship their god. It does not even make sense. Like I said ,skewed sample with an agenda.

It doesnt make sense because that isnt the claim. When you have to keep constructing strawmen, its usually a sign of something .Smile

Lou-for-you

Have a look at what is called an oleh certificate. Fascinating stuff.

real_tzs

There has been much research on this. Well, not on chess specifically, but why Jews, specifically Ashkenazi Jews, do disproportionately well in many intellectual fields.

And they indeed do disproportionately well. In the US, where they are 2% of the population, they have 27% of the Nobel prizes, 25% of the Fields Medals (the most prestigious and difficult award for mathematicians), 25% of the Turing Awards (the top award for computer science). They are half the world's chess champions and 8% of the top 100 players.

They are 30% of the faculty at elite colleges. They make up 30% of Yale students, and 27% of Harvard students. They are 40% of the partners in the leading New York and Washington law firms.

There is an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia in the artice on Ashkenazi Jewish Intellegince. The general Ashkenazi Jew article is also interesting.

It's interesting to speculate how World War 2 would have been different if Germany had not lost so many of its brightest scientists when they drove out Jews in the lead up to the war. Germany could have had the atomic bomb if so many of the Germans who could have developed it had not ended up in the United States working on the Manhattan Project.

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