why no chess in Olympics

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Sqod wrote:

Maybe a better solution than trying to get the general public to shift appreciation to the next higher levels--emotional and intellectual--would be to start a new Olympics *style* event, but with a different name, a different set of contests, and a focus on the intellectual (or emotional) level instead of the physical level. Along with chess, there might be a 4-D mind-controlled competitive video game, a theorem proving contest, and who knows what else.

 

It already exists.  It is called the "World Mind Sport Games"  and it takes place every four years.

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The ioc consider chess a sport, thats the first prehequisite to something be at olympics, thats why GO wont be able to be at olympcs and the same with poker (but ioc recognizes the card game called bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_bridge).

Here are the list of recognized sports not on olympics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_sports#Recognized_international_federations

 

The second thing is that the sport cant be motorized to be on olympcs (even if the sport is recognized), chess doenst work like that.

Also people are saying chess is slow and etc..., the sport that will be on olympics dont need to be the main one, at 2016 olympics they selected rugby union sevens instead of rugby union. So, chess being slow is not a reason, blitz chess could be selected instead of chess.

 

This doesn't mean I am saying they should include chess at olympics, just some of the reason given (like chess not being an sport) aren't valid reasons.

Also someone here said that, World Mind Sport Games exist. Some sort of olympics for stuff like chess.

The problem of this olympic is draughts, unlike chess that have an main variant where 98%+ of the chess players play, you have one main variant for almost every each country, there is one "ultra huge version of draughts where almost everyone plays" on each country.

This mean the person from the specific country this variant is from would be the most likely one to win the game (as they are mostly the ones that care about it) or you would have to include an huge amount of of those main draughts variants, to make sure each country have a chance. The second choice is not a bad one according to my opinion, but some may hate it.

Well the third choice is to not include draugths but this boardgame is so important/classic to not be included.

An fourth choice is to make players play many draughts variants at the same time, and the one that win most boards win the game, with the time limit being amount of games * time limit. The problem is that there are main draughts variants that are very similar and so if you master one you increase your odd at a ultra similar variant, while someone that plays a unique variant (like english draught, where the king is not even long range [a thing only presented on another main variant, the italian one]) wont spread his skill between the variants, as much as the other players.

Anyway I wont extent myself here since this is a chess forum not a draught one.

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spaceman00 wrote:

The ioc consider chess a sport, thats the first prehequisite to something be at olympics, thats why GO wont be able to be at olympcs and the same with poker

 

What the IOC considers to be a sport does not seem to follow any rational criteria.  If Chess is a Sport then Go is also a sport, and so, despite all of spaceman00's objections, is draughts.  But being considered a sport does not guarantee inclusion in the Olympic games. 

 

Which of the activities recognised as sport by the IOC are included also appears pretty random (or rather it seems to be a result of political machinations rather than objective arguments).

 

Why, for example, are Judo and Taekwando included whereas, Ba Gwa, Hsing Hi, Karate and a dozen other Oriental fighting arts are not?

 

I don't see why FIDE wants chess to be adopted as an Olympic sport. Who would benefit? In what way would they benefit?  Because it comes with severe drawbacks. For one thing it will require players that take part in FIDE-rated tournaments to be subjected to a similar drug-testing regime as runners, swimmers, cyclists, weightlifters and the rest.  That is very intrusive of normal life.  The testing authorities must know your whereabouts at all times, you have to take great care over everything you eat and drink which makes eating out ore receiving emergency medical care perilous for your eligibility to compete, and the enforcers can descend on you at any time and demand a Urine sample.

 

Whoops ... it is already so! FIDE Has already signed us up to WADA without asking us if it was what we wanted. As if there was an anabolic steroid for the mind.  Perhaps coffee, nicotine and Red Bull will join the list of banned substances.

 

I believe that in the Netherlands this has meant that many tournaments that used to be FIDE-rated now content themselves with Being rated only by the KNSB (Dutch Chess Federation).

 

For the majority of chess players FIDE is a dictatorship, and not a benevolent one. At least for chess Cannabis is only banned during competition, not all year round! 

 

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ModestAndPolite wrote:
spaceman00 wrote:

The ioc consider chess a sport, thats the first prehequisite to something be at olympics, thats why GO wont be able to be at olympcs and the same with poker

 

What the IOC considers to be a sport does not seem to follow any rational criteria.  If Chess is a Sport then Go is also a sport, and so, despite all of spaceman00's objections, is draughts.  But being considered a sport does not guarantee inclusion in the Olympic games. 

 

I never said chess should be or not on the olympics.

Also I never said some X or Y is a sport or not. I only said that to be on olympics you should be recognized as a sport by the IOC. If the sport is not recognized by IOC then people should complain about it first,  and then after and if the sport get recognized by IOC, complain about the sport not being on olympics.

 

I also never said draughts is not a sport, or shouldnt be included on olympics. I only posted some problems that exist with the game when trying to make some country vs country thing, where there are various canon chess rules (instead of chess that have just one canon rule) played at specific countries. The guys from the country where this variant X is canon would have an advantage over others, since they are playing their own canon draught variant Y.

Another problem is the amount of main variants (check wikipedia)

Those are some problems that would have to be dealt with in some way.

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you could get chess into the Olympics by making the pieces extremely heavy. it would be more exciting because say a guy is trying to play a checkmate, but he is so tired from lifting the pieces that the Queen falls on a square where it is en prise instead of giving the mate.

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ModestAndPolite wrote: 

It already exists.  It is called the "World Mind Sport Games"  and it takes place every four years.

Wow, you're right! There *does* exist such a thing already. I'd never heard of it before. The logo is similar to that of the Olympics, it meets every few years like the Olympics, it's even called a "third kind of Olympic games," and chess and Go are already played in it. So there's the answer: Just promote the World Mind Sports Games more. People are always stealing my good ideas. Smile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mind_Sports_Games

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Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Because chess isn't a sport. 

To call chess a sport is a mockery of the term. 

IOC says it's a sport,so that settles it.

That settles it for the IOC. That doesn't settle it for anybody else. If the IOC accepted tiddlywinks as a sport, I still wouldn't agree that it was one.

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estenssoro brings up a very good point there. you send a team of professional athletes to the Olympics and you don't even get a single medal, then Britain uses lottery money to train their athletes to the highest level when the people who paid the money were only trying to win a few quid for themselves, how is that not cheating ?

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stuzzicadenti wrote:

There is already the Chess Olympiad which is held annually and many countries participate with fielding their best teams. There is no need to include chess in the Olympics.

Actually the World Chess Olympiad is held every other year. I played in the 29th WCO that was held in -- then -- Novi Sad, Yugoslavia that was held in 1990.

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Why no chess in the athletics Olympic games? Simple.

  1. Chess is not a sport. It's difficult to do and requires a great deal of stamina, but it's not athletics.
  2. The chess people aren't interested; they have their own thing.
  3. It would take too long. Seriously, participants from more than 200 countries, all playing several matches, each taking several hours? We'd never finish.
  4. The Russians would dope their players and win everything anyway.
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Noughts and Crosses should be represented at the Olympics too.

And Tiddlywinks.

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spaceman00 wrote:

I never said chess should be or not on the olympics.

Also I never said some X or Y is a sport or not. I only said that to be on olympics you should be recognized as a sport by the IOC ... <snip>

 

I know you didn't say those things.  I was not trying to pick a fight with you.  I was quoting you as an introduction to making some new points. 

Sorry if it was misunderstood.

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By combining bullet chess with knights jousting on horseback, you have a good Olympic sport incorporating chess, call it bulljousting.

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MindWalk wrote:
estenssoro wrote:
Senior-Lazarus_Long escribió:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:

Because chess isn't a sport. 

To call chess a sport is a mockery of the term. 

IOC says it's a sport,so that settles it.

That settles it for the IOC. That doesn't settle it for anybody else. If the IOC accepted tiddlywinks as a sport, I still wouldn't agree that it was one.

Heres a fun fact....Jaques of London, the company to first produce the Staunton Chess set, also invented tidly-winks.

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chess olympic sport

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I think we should build a case for Tiddlywinks and present it to the IOC. Coming froma  group devoted to a game they already consider a sport, it'll have extra weight behind it.

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Petter_U wrote:

Why no chess in the athletics Olympic games? Simple.

Chess is not a sport. It's difficult to do and requires a great deal of stamina, but it's not athletics. The chess people aren't interested; they have their own thing. It would take too long. Seriously, participants from more than 200 countries, all playing several matches, each taking several hours? We'd never finish. The Russians would dope their players and win everything anyway.

Actually the IOC *does* recognize chess as an Olympic sport, complete with opening and closing ceremonies, the Parade of Nations, the entrance of the official Olympic Flag with its 5 rings, and the raising (and at the end the lowering) of the Olympic Flag, and two weeks of INTENSE compitition. That was the best two weeks I have ever had.  And BTW Russia, the US, China, are usually the countries that finish in the top 3 spots. 

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Chess has on olympics called the olympiad.  

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yeah sure we have the Olympiad but does any one that isn't completely into chess going to watch or hear about this even? I think chess in the Olympics would be great for the popularity of the game