Why online chess ratings are inflated/deflated

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watcha

The correspondence pool is inflated as a whole and the bullet/blitz pool is deflated as a whole.

Does anyone have an answer to this?

Scottrf

Already answered. People losing rating points then being removed from the pool.

watcha
Scottrf wrote:

Already answered. People losing rating points then being removed from the pool.

But why does the opposite happen in bullet/blitz?

Scottrf

People don't lose games just from not continuing to play on the site in bullet and blitz.

watcha
Scottrf wrote:

People don't lose games just from not continuing to play on the site in bullet and blitz.

This is true. But still there is deflation. The average is more than 100 points lower in blitz than it should be ( 1099 instead of 1200 ). This means that high rated players leave the pool. Why is that?

Scottrf

Cheating.

watcha
Scottrf wrote:

Cheating.

Oops.

Ziryab
watcha wrote:
savarkar23 wrote:

oohh...maybe i got it wrong...i mean i was talking about my personal ratigs difference. seems like the topic is entirely different Lol... :P

May be I got it wrong. But my main interest is the deviation on the level of averages which is much harder to explain than personal deviations.

And more interesting to the rest of us.

BTW, the amount of time a player is able to spend on each move has nothing to do with the average within that pool.

plexinico

I play online the same way as I do when I play live.
I rely only on myself.

I do take more time, because there is no limite.  But that is it! 

I do not use a database, nor a computer, nor videos for that game, etc.

I try to play online against people who play like me.

Sometimes I even mention to the other player if they are ok to use databases.  In that case I probably wouldn't play them.  I like people that beat me because they are thinking, not because they got to a position 15 moves deep just by copying other games!

kikvors
watcha schreef:
This is true. But still there is deflation. The average is more than 100 points lower in blitz than it should be ( 1099 instead of 1200 ). This means that high rated players leave the pool. Why is that?

Perhaps they also move to other places to play, where there are more strong players.

CP6033
Scottrf wrote:

Timeouts are probably the biggest reason in general.

But also the disparity in effort one can make will affect individual differences.

good point, a lot of players do time out

Ziggyblitz

The pool of players and the number of games played are different. This is an explanation given as to why Chess960 ratings are lower than standard Online games by about 300 points. This site includes inactive players in it's stats which results in misleading averages.

2mooroo

I think most people play online like blitz. 

CP6033
2mooroo wrote:

I think most people play online like blitz. 

yes, but i think they are not as serious in their chess games.....

Ziryab

No matter how well or poor certain players perform, there will be the same number of wins as losses in the pool as a whole. Quality of individual play effects that individual's rating, but contributes nothing, zero, nada, to average rating vis-a-vis other pools.

Ziryab

It makes more sense to believe that correspondence ratings are higher because it attracts principally serious players.

2mooroo

My contribution is there might be a stark contrast between serious correspondence players and those who play correspondence like a 1|0 bullet game.  So the serious players' ratings are heavily inflated while less serious players actually have deflated ratings.  Just a theory.

Ziryab

2mooroo, your hypothesis is sound. For example, one of my current opponents is 500 below me in correspondence on this site, but is ~50 above me USCF. I'm fairly certain that I play CC with more seriousness, even though he is a better player.

watcha
Ziryab wrote:

2mooroo, your hypothesis is sound. For example, one of my current opponents is 500 below me in correspondence on this site, but is ~50 above me USCF. I'm fairly certain that I play CC with more seriousness, even though he is a better player.

Playing correspondence requires different skills than live. My favourite example is the No. 1. player of some facebook based correspondence site. His Fide rating is cca. 2200 which is a respectable rating though not sky high:

But at correspondence he has an incredible record:

He is beating players in correspondence who have much higher Fide rating than him and who take it seriously. His games are correspondence masterpieces.

MrKornKid

To OP, even with 3-7 days some of us think in 1 min lol.  Not sure why eh.