Why only 3 black grandmasters, none of which are American?

TuckerTommy

Isn’t it a shame that in a country that is very privileged moreso than the countries from which 3 countries from which the world’s only 3 GM’s emanate, there are no black American GM’s? Does that say something about chess and it’s appeal across races and cultures? Maurice Ashley was the first (Jamaican), Pontus Carlsson (Sweden), and Amon Simutowe-Zambian! What do you think accounts for this disparity?

cellomaster8
Um.. what about GM_Maurice Ashley? He’s from Brooklyn
TuckerTommy
GM Maurice Ashley is Jamican! Did you read the post?
ed1975

Oh no, theyre not American, so they must be rubbish ;) And i would say Sweden is at least as "privileged" as America.

Penfold77

Ashley moved to the United States at a young age and his entire chess career has been under the US flag.

TuckerTommy
Destroyer, you are not in God’s heaven or earth going to destroy me or my post...that’s why people come on here are turned off by people like you who attempt to discourage with your negative attitude. If you have noting positive to say to make a contribution please retreat. This is a learning and teaching moment. Thank you very much!
cyborg86
TuckerTommy wrote:
Destroyer, you are not in God’s heaven or earth going to destroy me or my post...that’s why people come on here are turned off by people like you who attempt to discourage with your negative attitude. If you have noting positive to say to make a contribution please retreat. This is a learning and teaching moment. Thank you very much!

How is this a learning and teaching moment. I see nothing being learned, nothing being taught. Just you concerned with black grandmasters and where they're from. 

EscherehcsE

Yeah, Tucker, it's a shame...but what do you want us to do about it? Tongue Out

Monie49

You are good enough or you are not good enough to be a GM.  Takes lots of money (studying instead of working) to devote the time and effort.  Does not matter where you are from or your ethnicity.

suicidebeatschess
chess is a game that celebrates white supremacy ? just a lucky guess.
RedGirlZ
TuckerTommy wrote:
Destroyer, you are not in God’s heaven or earth going to destroy me or my post...that’s why people come on here are turned off by people like you who attempt to discourage with your negative attitude. If you have noting positive to say to make a contribution please retreat. This is a learning and teaching moment. Thank you very much!

What makes you think a negative comment can't be a contribution. If u just receive comments that you expect you'll never grow as a human being. In response to your post, It's most likely just a cultural thing, Black Americans don't engage in chess that often, hence they don't have many grandmasters. 

RedGirlZ

There are many European countries that also don't have many grandmasters, It's just a cultural thing. 

drmrboss
RedGirlZ wrote:

There are many European countries that also don't have many grandmasters, It's just a cultural thing. 

Smart answer by RedGirlZ!!

bong711

African nation's are warm all year. They don't have winter or long monsoon season to stay indoors and play chess. Other board games are not popular too.

president_max

tate was US born and an IM.  will that do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tate

also

http://www.thechessdrum.net/historicmoments/HM_BlackChess/

batgirl

I'm not sure what the OP is getting at but people and peoples excel at something because they are motivated and have the means and environment to pursue that interest.  There are indeed cultural influences and maybe these influences are really more influential than other things such a innate ability or intelligence.  The U.S. chess scene was probably somewhat unwelcoming to minorities (such a women and people of color) up until the second half of the 20th century but has certainly made strides since then. Cultures do change, however slowly and painful the process might be.

Possibly of related interest:  https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-players/an-interesting-photo-from-1964

 

FBloggs

Oh I know what the OP is getting at.  Controversy.  That's all.

president_max
FBloggs wrote:

Oh I know what the OP is getting at.  Controversy.  That's all.

actually most of the op's posts have been about chess & he has mostly nice messages on his wall.  so i doubt it :-)

FBloggs
president_max wrote:
FBloggs wrote:

Oh I know what the OP is getting at.  Controversy.  That's all.

actually most of the op's posts have been about chess & he has mostly nice messages on his wall.  so i doubt it :-)

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.  wink.png

Duck-Season

There is also Kenny Solomon from South Africa.

He peaked at 2461 but became a Grand Master after winning the African Chess Championship eventhough he was not at the required 2500 FIDE points.

Personally I believe it has to do with opportunity, I also believe some cultures have a natural talent for chess for some strange reason, like Russians and Jews, and I think black folks have the same natural talent it has just not been cultivated to the same extent.Every time I play a black guy I am aware of a mix of technical understanding and out of the box thinking, they pretty much play chess the same way Jon Jones fights.