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wich is better, bishop or knight

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thetman
Anothernewjack wrote:

Fact is the bishops generally are better in the beginning. But in the end game it's better to have a knight agaist an opp. bishop. The knight can move to both colored squares.


 but bishops can get big diagonals going in the end

CanucksVA97

Bishops and Knights are equal at base value.  You need to create and exploit imbalances in the position to make the minor piece you have better than the opponent's.

thetman
rich wrote:

To be exact a Bishop is worth 3.20 a knight is 3.


 lol. I guese that is right

thetman

good way of putting it

horcrux

I don't think that Knights move erratically at all. They move in a defined pattern which sometimes a beginner doesn't appreciate as well as a more experienced player. Both pieces have subtle aspects in the hands of a good player but none of it is a mystery or a surprise.

thetman

i find that knights are realy good at forks but they cant make hurdles where bishops can do both

stanhope13
thetman wrote:
Kupov wrote:

Try THIS on for size!! lol

 


 lol is right. tell me when you run across that scenario some time


 yes, rather unfotunate.

thetman
stanhope13 wrote:
thetman wrote:
Kupov wrote:

Try THIS on for size!! lol

 


 lol is right. tell me when you run across that scenario some time


 yes, rather unfotunate.


 not for whiteTongue out

theg-man

I thik that, in my very limited experience, a knight is more useful because it is the only piece that can safely destroy a queen that is not gaurded by another piece. It has a completely unique movement style and cannot  be copied by another piece in less than two moves.

thetman
theg-man wrote:

I thik that, in my very limited experience, a knight is more useful because it is the only piece that can safely destroy a queen that is not gaurded by another piece. It has a completely unique movement style and cannot  be copied by another piece in less than two moves.


 nice way of putting it gavin. I would have to completely agree. queens and rooks have very simalar movement to a bishop and knights are completely unique

CasualChess

The general rule is that a bishop is superior to a knight in open positions because it has the ability to cover larger portions of the board and may manuever quickly. In closed positions the knight is better because it has much more mobility and may attack structural weaknesses that bishops may not. But the bishop pair is almost always preffered to a pair of knights or knight and bishop combination. This is because the two bishops may coordinate in ways that two knights or a knight and bishop may not. For evidence of this we should look to master and grandmaster games. We will often see that these players prefer to have a bishop pair in and endgame not only over a bishop and knight but over a bishop and rook. It is also worth noting that a pair of bishops may hold their own against an opposing queen in an endgame. It takes well over two hundred moves for the player with the queen to checkmate the king with the bishop pair. Obviously only computers see that far ahead: in human games a bishop pair versus a queen is a draw with best play.

Fianjello

knights are better, they are good for openings and endgames.

thetman

I would have to say I prefer a knight knight combination due to there great ability to easily defend eachother

AfroDzEact

I think knights are slightly better that's why I try to take at least one of my opponents knights, leaving me with at least one bishop. Don't get me wrong bishop's are awesome too that's why I leave only one.

swimmer58

I think the knight is really good because most of the time people don't see it attack because sometimes it's hard to see where theyre going. The bishop also is really good because it can move really far and it can also suprise attack on a fairly full board.Undecided

swimmer58

I think both are equally good

AmazingChessKnight6

bishops and knights have equal value 

tygxc

"The weaker the player the more terrible the Knight is to him, but as a player increases in strength the value of the Bishop becomes more evident to him, and of course there is, or should be, a corresponding decease in his estimation of the value of the Knight as compared to the bishop." - Capablanca

AlphaZero values a knight at 3.05 pawns and a bishop at 3.33 pawns, see table 6.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf