will chess ever die out once its fully solved?
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It will never get solved.
Dec 26, 2021
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#23
CooloutAC wrote:
So muscle memory is just a "misnomer" but saying these guys have a photographic memory is completely impossible? Sounds like trolling over semantics lol. I don't know how else you would describe the memory and spatial vision these players have. Its on another level and its how someone like magnus can see and play through 10,000 games in his mind. Call it whatever words you want to describe it if helps you sleep at night and stops you from trying to deflect from the argument you are now conceding.
Magnus's phenomenal memory is a result of expert knowledge, coming from tens of thousands of hours of playing chess. If you gave him a randomly assigned position that could never occur in a game and asked him to memorise it then he would be just as hopeless as an ordinary non-chess player. No top GMs are different in this regard, many of them have normal brains that they have trained over decades and certainly none of them have photographic or eidetic memories.
#33
10000 is a small number compared to the full solution of chess.
Already now the top grandmasters struggle to remember their 20+ moves of engine opening preparation.
Dec 26, 2021
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#25
Coolout please limit your posts to a single strawman argument and I may take the time to respond - otherwise it just gets exhausting trying to correct all the lies you are making up to provoke me. 
#35
Every game ends before 6000 moves, but 10000 = 10^4 positions is a small number as compared to the number of relevant, sensible, legal positions involved in solving chess: about 10^19.
Dec 26, 2021
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#27
CooloutAC wrote:
I bet you actually believe what you are saying right now. this is you conceding my points after I easily dismantled yours. Because unlike you I'm actually not making anything up. I'm quoting super gm's themselves and using common sense. Re-read what you said and re-read my reply and if you are being sincere you might see the light.
Aside from the blatantly obvious provocative lies and strawmen- which you do deliberately to get attention... you stated that Magnus and the other top players have photographic memories. You also stated that photographic memories are as much a myth as muscle memory. Both of these are objectively and factually incorrect claims which I disputed.
Do you acknowledge that you made factually incorrect claims?
#41
Chess willl probably be solved before 80 years. It is just a matter of somebody wanting to put up some millions for modern computers and human assistants to solve it.
All 7 men positions already have been solved exactly. Nevertheless Nepo lost a table base drawn position in the classical world championship. This proves that humans will not be able to memorise the solution once it is found.
Dec 27, 2021
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#29
Fuchuina wrote:
when we look at games they are made to be entertaining competitive fulled of fun, adventure, thrill and excitement giving chances to both sides but what would happen if the game was solved with everyone knowing who will win and how ends. this has happened with checkers and that game has died out completely with only a little bit of popularity from my observation but do you think the same will happen to chess once its solved as well?
No human can possibly remember every move that can be made. So who cares if computers solve chess?
well people said the same thing about checkers and that kind of died but the difference with chess is that its far more interesting and involves other complications and factors that it will still be fun to play even if it does get solved one day in the future, many might still play it
Dec 27, 2021
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#31
Fuchuina wrote:
well people said the same thing about checkers and that kind of died but the difference with chess is that its far more interesting and involves other complications and factors that it will still be fun to play even if it does get solved one day in the future, many might still play it
Of course people will still play chess. Just like peopel still play checkers. Checkers is solved and people still play it. No human can possibly memorize every possible move.
blitz will always be fun since it involves short time, rapid i am not so sure unless 10 mins
IMKeto wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
well people said the same thing about checkers and that kind of died but the difference with chess is that its far more interesting and involves other complications and factors that it will still be fun to play even if it does get solved one day in the future, many might still play it
Of course people will still play chess. Just like peopel still play checkers. Checkers is solved and people still play it. No human can possibly memorize every possible move.
yeah some people still play checkers but the game itself has died in popularity
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
blitz will always be fun since it involves short time, rapid i am not so sure unless 10 mins
I think we will eventually even see classical and rapid time controls shortened. Even Judy Polgar predicted this during the WCC.
i dont see that becoming possible unless a new governing body of chess appears
i can imagine a federation making bullet a format, that would be interesting
Dec 27, 2021
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#36
CooloutAC wrote:
Trying to deflect on the definitions of words won't win debates with me
There is no "debate" being had, because you are incapable of having one. You walk into a topic, excrete your usual dump of ignorance and then tell lies about whoever debunks it to distract from the original topic. Nothing I said is worthy of being "debated", because I merely corrected an obvious factually incorrect claim you made on the previous post. There is nothing controversial about saying that photographic memory is a myth that will never exist. This is a well established fact that has been known to scientists for decades, so it doesn't really matter whether or not some fat troll disagrees.
CooloutAC wrote:
First of all point out these lies ands strawmen and try to debate them.
Ok, here goes....
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CooloutAC wrote:
Magnus and other top players have photographic memories,
^^^ This is factually incorrect.
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CooloutAC wrote:
Photographic memory is no more a myth then muscle memory.
^^^ This is also factually incorrect, as well as poor grammar
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CooloutAC wrote:
Right, so it has nothing to do with any natural gifts or talent. Just hard work and we can all be like him. This is the lie you tell yourself,
Incorrect, I never claimed this. I claimed that Magnus and other GMs didn't have photographic memories, not that they didn't have natural talent. Typical coolout strawman.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
i can imagine a federation making bullet a format, that would be interesting
The only problem with bullet is it is not very fan friendly. And as Magnus pointed out in the WCC that its not that practical to play over the board. But I do feel that pieces flying onto the ground or players standing up over the board is kind of exciting lmao. Bullet online though is literally the most sporting by definition though, Even though personally its too hard for me to play or follow I have to admit that. Nepo said in the WCC press conference bullet is what he prefers to play online.
There is an OTB game of Nihal playing Firoujah in bullet. The faced off today but Nihal i think was feeling very pressured had a close endgame.
what about 2 mins or 1 min + 2 sec increment?
CooloutAC wrote:
Fuchuina wrote:
i can imagine a federation making bullet a format, that would be interesting
I'm the one incapable of having a debate? When you literally cry that you are afraid to have one? Then facetiously pretend to have one by just calling everything I say "factually incorrect" with no retort or rebuttal to prove it so? Yep, you're definitely a child and you don't even deserve a response. The world is reading your posts bud and they see you conceding.
what argument? i think your talking to the wrong person
Dec 27, 2021
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#39
CooloutAC wrote:
When you literally cry that you are afraid to have one?
So you respond to my post about your lies and bullsh*t by dropping another one? not sure that's the best strategy... 
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm the one incapable of having a debate?
Correct. And thanks for finally accepting it. 
Dec 27, 2021
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#40
CooloutAC wrote:
I'm the one incapable of having a debate?
You erroneously claimed that Magnus has a photographic memory - I retorted with the scientifically established fact that photographic memories do not exist. Which part about this would you like to debate?
CooloutAC wrote:
no retort or rebuttal to prove it so?
Common sense and established science. Try google
CooloutAC wrote:
Again, if you don't like the phrase "photographic memory" Then call their "natural talent" whatever you want to adequately describe it... /the end.
So this is your way of conceding that you were incorrect, and Magnus does not have a photographic memory?
You underestimate the photographic memories these guys have.
Photographic memory is a detestable myth.
Ironic coming from a chess player brainwashed with tons of myths. Photographic memory is no more a myth then muscle memory.
Muscle memory is a misnomer that still very much exists, photographic memory is absolutely impossible.