Alan Turing was a self-hating algorithm.
Will computers ever solve chess?
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Some merely walk hand-in-hand with them.
.. Sure enough ; If, one 'Google'-searches, under : 'algorithm, bible'.. {Google- images}.. There Is, an image selection, to choose from !
s23bog wrote:
For your information, I don't see the Bible as being Truth, but rather a collection of testimonies about the truth. Jesus, himself, said that he does not accept human testimony.
Does he accept Bitcoin?
s23bog wrote:
For that, I refer you to what he said about paying taxes.
Bitcoin works via algorithms, so there you go. "Render unto the algorithm the things that are the algorithm's."
With god being an algorithm, that simplifies the tax code quite a bit.
Great, now vaping is a gender.
Oh it's on the very near future!
.. Just to recap ; "Alpha-Go-Zero," taught itself, {according, to news reports}.. How to beat, its' 2 year old, predescessor, "Alpha-Go-1"; By a ridiculously, 'blowout' margin ; In the course of a '3 day' session, of what amounted to, 'solitare', {playing against itself}, 'weiqi', or 'Go'.
The 'loser' in turn, {as of, the past, 4-to-6 weeks}.. Won, its' 2 separate 'matches' against, the top 2 or so, 'human' players ; Within, the past 20 months !
Keep in mind ; That 'weiqi', is several orders of magnitude, More challenging, than western 'chess'; In terms, of possible, 'move' permutations !
.. Ergo ; Score, a Big '1', for 'artificial- intelligence', {'a.i.'}.. And, even More so, if its' algorithm, is unencumbered, by programmed- in, game-specific ; 'Human' wisdom !
.. Now, presenting, a 'gal' who knows, appreciably More, about 'Go'; Than, Yours Truly !
Oct 30, 2017
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#2432
quantum computers? perhaps...... then again what are you gona prove? really to win you need +5 advantage and thats like 2 whole peices,.. also the 50 move rule will come into play so there are a finite amount of moves that can happen before you need to capture, eventually after you capture all withing 50 moves + then its end game.
It may be that chess is not solvable. That down every branch options exist for both sides. Even if a forced branch were found it could be avoided. Say a line is found from the Queen's Gambit. Black could then play other lines. Even if a forced line was found all the way from 1.d4. That move could be agreed as illegal. Or the game could move to Fisher random or some other variation. Part of the wonder of the game is how well balanced it is. To have come from such primitive beginnings it is amazing. Even so with enough thought and care a piece could be added. Adding a piece would explode the possible moves. Make the board 9x9.
.. As has been pointed out, in other discussions ; There's No need, to expand the 'chess' board, as we've become accustomed to !
.. Presenting, a 1 hour, and 28 min. 'intro.' to ; " 'Seirawan' chess" .. Or, 'S- chess'. o:
The Japanese game of GO was considered beyond solution as was chess many years ago. This was achieved as although chess pieces move, Go pieces do not. As the power of machines increases we should never say never. However, to have a machine trace every possible legal move is astronomical, but "good" or "best" moves are not.
Oct 31, 2017
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#2436
Go has not been solved, not by a very long chalk. What has happened is that computer programs (those from Google Deep Mind) have become the best in the world at the game.
Oct 31, 2017
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#2437
the worlds best chess player was beaten by a computer, true, that is differnt than being SOLVED! put it this way, checkers was the one solved as of the last year,.. and that is BASIC compared to chess and go.
DragonWest wrote:
The Japanese game of GO was considered beyond solution as was chess many years ago. This was achieved as although chess pieces move, Go pieces do not. As the power of machines increases we should never say never. However, to have a machine trace every possible legal move is astronomical, but "good" or "best" moves are not.
Go is Chinese. The game name (technically a derivation thereof) and most of the terminology used in the west came from Japan. It's still unsolved, and given the other complexities of the game I doubt the stones being immobile (though removable) gives it an edge over Chess for game theorists.
Now people use computer. Online player like it.
You can be guided or serve whomever you like. My Lord is no algorithm.
Your Lord wouldn't pass the Turing test.