And that's fair. But my point is that the code the machine reads and takes both commands and data from--the machine code--is ultimately stored and operated on as binary, so to say that binary is not machine code but hex is isn't really correct.
Will computers ever solve chess?
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NKT73 wrote:
yes however binary is easier to represent gateways. for instance when you map an engineering diagram of a chip for instance you see the first binary might open the gateway to a port and set a flag for a processor to pass control. hex condenses it all and makes it hard to see the individual bit
Oh, no, I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying; mine was a late, un-cited response to s23. I deifnitely agree that working with binary is clearer for many things.
All this talk is reminding me I really need to get back into school and studying things.
May 16, 2016
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NKT73 wrote:
Machine language is consists of many binaries combined. Back when they were just starting out binaries were actually light bulbs.
I once had a computer like that! Not kidding. It was advertised on the back cover of an old Science Fiction pulp magazine. It consisted of light bulbs, paper clips and wires and played a bad game of tic tac toe! Nowadays they have quantum computers whose inner workings can only be understood by a few people in the world. I have no doubt that someday they will make a quantum super computer that will solve chess and also take over the world!
NKT73 wrote:
However I am going to sleep now since I have been up since early this morning. It has been 12+ hours and I need to sleep now.
Didn't you forget to honor someone?
s23bog a écrit :
I have no idea how to do movement selection. I am not to that point. I want to set up how the data is arranged. I am describing the board in binary.
The best way to store data can be found *after* you have decided how you'll use that data to find the moves.
Just an example in geometry : will you use cartesian coordinates to implement rotations ?
And a chess board and its pieces has some wonderful properties :
A bishop lives its whole life on the same color. A knight jumps from one color to the other at each move (the reason why it's always overloaded).
A pawn never moves back. And if you map A B C... with 1 2 3 ..., you'll see that the sum of the coordinates of a white square is odd (A2 --> 1+2=3, for instance), and it's even for a black square. Etc.
These are all well known facts, but I'd certainly have a look at them before deciding how to encode the data, because a smart code might help to find the legal moves, for instance.
BTW, octal arithmetics seem more obvious at first sight, since the chess board is 8x8, not 2x2 or 16x16.
Etc.
I also think that writing such a prgram is a huge task hardly accessible to a single person.
Only God's Algorithm can help to solve chess easily.
NKT73 wrote:
Jesus Christ! Well I talked with my mother and my mother says no I cannot give out the source code. So if a theif steals it then it is considered cheating and not your code. So your proof is not of your own.
If I could play the first twenty moves, I would not mind somebody else finishing the game for me.
May 17, 2016
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honsing wrote:
Eventually computers will be fast enough that all possible moves and combination on the board are known to the computer.
I doubt you know what this level of computing would mean... a solution for chess would be underwhelming compared to the other kinds of miracles such a computer could achieve.
It's definitely not in the foreseeable future.
May 17, 2016
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Eternal punishment for finite beliefs, not even finite actions (a serial killer could go to heaven while a doctor who saves lives can go to hell).
If they leave out the names God and Devil, would you be able to tell the difference based on their actions?
The serpent gives Adam and Eve knowledge... just saying, it's from your own book.
May 17, 2016
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NKT73 wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
Eternal punishment for finite beliefs, not even finite actions (a serial killer could go to heaven while a doctor who saves lives can go to hell).
If they leave out the names God and Devil, would you be able to tell the difference based on their actions?
The serpent gives Adam and Eve knowledge... just saying, it's from your own book.
Jesus Christ! That is incorrect. The Holy Bible is the book appoved of by God's people.
I asked a question. Feel free to ignore it, but: "That is incorrect" isn't a reasonable reply to the question.
May 17, 2016
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Ok, that was what I thought.
It just seems to me that in this case a person who does good may end up in hell forever while a person who a lot of harm does not.
Of course you can say this is all part of God's plan. I'm just pointing out... lets say you saw a movie and there was a character in the movie who punished people who didn't bow to him (regardless of whether the people he punished did good or bad things). In fact he didn't just punish them, but did the worst things imaginable. Do you think this character in the movie would be a hero or villain?
There is another character in the movie. This character doesn't hurt anyone. This 2nd character only says the first character is a bad guy.
I'm 100% certain I won't convince anyone with this. I'm not even sure myself how reasonable an argument it is. It's just an interesting thought... I'll stop derailing this topic now.
May 17, 2016
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NKT73 wrote:
The Holy Bible specifically says "The only one who is good is God!" I am a sinner and I am not worthy of God. For God is pure and perfect.
That also ignores the question, but like I said I'll drop it.
This thread question was asked (and answered) in the first 20 posts, fully two years ago.
Has everyone given up reading? Such lazy thinking.
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But the Joke's Still On Us.
Typically, it only takes a couple of posts (in succession) to turn any dormant thread into a "HOT TOPIC." As was the case here.
Will Chess Ever be Solved? Maybe.
No "yes or no" is involved.
End of Story.
May 17, 2016
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#517
s23bog wrote:
Ask a simple yes or no question, and you will get a one word response.
Says post #842 on page 43 of the topic:
"Will computers ever solve chess?"
May 17, 2016
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#518
zborg wrote:
Will Chess Ever be Solved? Maybe.
End of Story.
You could give similarly minimal answers to every possible question, that similarly don't answer or explain anything.
0110001101101000 wrote:
zborg wrote:
Will Chess Ever be Solved? Maybe.
End of Story.
You could give similarly minimal answers to every possible question, that similarly don't answer or explain anything.
Neither does the last 300 posts. But who's counting?
My point (entirely) -- this mindless thread is yet again a "HOT TOPIC."
Knock yourselves out...
May 17, 2016
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#520
zborg wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
zborg wrote:
Will Chess Ever be Solved? Maybe.
End of Story.
You could give similarly minimal answers to every possible question, that similarly don't answer or explain anything.
Neither does the last 300 posts. But who's counting?
My point (entirely) -- this mindless thread is yet again a "HOT TOPIC."
Knock yourselves out...
Post 710 on page 36 by Deedlit added useful info to the conversation.
But yeah, it's 99% fluff.
Or, punch cards (ie Hollerith cards)
Machine code is Hex. I can decipher binary. I would have to convert machine code to binary to be able to understand it.
Hexadecimal is basically just a way of representing quartets of binary values.