Also, traveling in a spaceship for 3.5 years takes its toll on your body and mind. Then, there's no guarantee of a safe touchdown on Mars and a safe return home. But if s23bog wants to take the risk, I'd be glad to send him there. lol
Will computers ever solve chess?
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s23bog wrote:
I'll stick with Jesus for the way forward, but thanks. I prefer the promise for a future that he offers to any promise that technology offers. I don't see much evidence that humans are all that capable.
Well, at least we agree on that. 
SylentSwords wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
s23bog wrote:
I'll stick with Jesus for the way forward, but thanks. I prefer the promise for a future that he offers to any promise that technology offers. I don't see much evidence that humans are all that capable.
Well, at least we agree on that.
You agree with ALL of this?..
Yes. I am a devout Christian.
JeffGreen333 wrote:
There's no such thing as "solving chess". So no, computers will never "solve" chess.
"There is no such thing as going to the moon." Jeremiah Washington, 1783
Chess is not something that can even be solved. It's not an equation or a math problem. It's not like there is a perfect opening with white, that can guarantee a victory, that a computer will eventually discover. In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw. Therefore, there is no "solution" or guaranteed win for white.
If you give Maurice Ashley enough time with one he might.
JeffGreen333 wrote:
In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw.
That's not proven. In fact, proving that is the essence of solving chess.
This thread seems to be popular - evidently there is interest in seeing chess be solved. All this chatter is similar to the chatter that took place in the early 1900's about the highest mountain on earth. Then within a few decades (in 1953) Mount Everest was climbed.
Jun 23, 2017
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JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chess is not something that can even be solved. It's not an equation or a math problem. It's not like there is a perfect opening with white, that can guarantee a victory, that a computer will eventually discover. In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw. Therefore, there is no "solution" or guaranteed win for white.
I agree.
This is a example:
Queen vs. Bishop+Rook
If you look at the engine, black is better, but if you protect your pieces good, it's a draw.
friedmelon wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chess is not something that can even be solved. It's not an equation or a math problem. It's not like there is a perfect opening with white, that can guarantee a victory, that a computer will eventually discover. In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw. Therefore, there is no "solution" or guaranteed win for white.
I agree.
This is a example:
Queen vs. Bishop+Rook
If you look at the engine, black is better, but if you protect your pieces good, it's a draw.
That's an endgame. Can you make this same conclusion of a chess game from the starting position?
vickalan wrote:
That's an endgame. Can you make this same conclusion of a chess game from the starting position?
Going by Grandmaster games, if both sides play well and don't blunder, it usually turns out to be a draw.
"usually"
JeffGreen333 wrote:
There's no such thing as "solving chess". So no, computers will never "solve" chess.
There is such a thing as "solving chess" if you had infinite time (or infinite computing power) you could check all games and find the best move. If both players had this ability then beforehand the result would be known. This is called "solving a game".
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chess is not something that can even be solved. It's not an equation or a math problem. It's not like there is a perfect opening with white, that can guarantee a victory, that a computer will eventually discover. In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw. Therefore, there is no "solution" or guaranteed win for white.
And that's where you're wrong . Look up "solving 4 in a row" or "solving checkers", chess is the same except vastly harder.
friedmelon wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:
Chess is not something that can even be solved. It's not an equation or a math problem. It's not like there is a perfect opening with white, that can guarantee a victory, that a computer will eventually discover. In theory, if both sides play 100% perfectly, every game should be a draw. Therefore, there is no "solution" or guaranteed win for white.
I agree.
This is a example:
Queen vs. Bishop+Rook
If you look at the engine, black is better, but if you protect your pieces good, it's a draw.
That only means the engine is flawed.
game_designer wrote:
All quiet on the western front.
shhhh, you'll wake them up
Jun 25, 2017
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Only thinking about one of them...might be blocked now, fingers crossed.
Well, I hope that it never is solved. As soon as they announce "the perfect opening", then everyone will be playing that opening. After a while, most players will get bored playing the same opening over and over and they will quit playing all together. Then chess will die. 
Ok, I just ran a test. According to Stockfish, the solution to chess is ................................ (drum roll please) ............ The French Defense: Steinitz Variation. It goes 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5. Not many people play that opening any more though. I used to play the French Advance, Exchange, Rubinstein and Winawer, many years ago, but never the Steinitz.
Apollo was an extremely expensive program. As Jeff points out, going to Mars is very hazardous. The exposure to radiation would be very dangerous: it is far worse than at the ISS.