Will I be able to reach Master level?

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Harvey_Wallbanger

   I think what Yeres said is true. It's called: The Peter Principle.

Ziryab
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

   I think what Yeres said is true. It's called: The Peter Principle.

That's not what Laurence Peters said, as I understand it.

Harvey_Wallbanger

   More or less.

  We rise to the level of our incompetence doesn't sound pretty. Although optimism is a pleasant state of mind, we must also realize: "A man's got to know his limitations."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0

Harvey_Wallbanger

...btw, you are a chess coach. You sell hope. Smile

   Also, it could be that the OP simply needs guidance. Perhaps he is playing far too much speed chess when he doesn't have a solid foundation. Maybe with a coach, he could turn things around. Or, maybe not.

Ziryab
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

   More or less.

  We rise to the level of our incompetence doesn't sound pretty. 

It's not about being pretty; it's about explaining a problem in the functioning of large organizations. Peters was a professor of business who identified a problem in management and promotion.

Think about the consequences of putting a nuclear arsenal at the disposal of a man who had proven himself as a brain surgeon. He's no longer doing a job for which he has the slightest capacity.

Merlino1972

A lot of beginners think it is only a matter of time to become a titled player. It is like in every sport: to get to the top, it takes time, endurance and most of all talent. 99.9% will not reach the top.

So answer is: not very likely

Harvey_Wallbanger

Bubba, you need not lecture me about Dr. Laurence J. Peters...I have an M.B.A.  I stand by what I said. Chill. Kiss

GhostNight

I may be wrong, only because I am not a master or even an expert, which I think is quite an achievement 1900-2100!  Love of the game!!  I feel most masters just enjoyed the game from when they just started and never worried if they will make master,many may have even surprsied themselves. You do not force yourself to spend hours studying, but you look forward to it. But remember there is so much more to life, then chess!Wink

Harvey_Wallbanger

Anyone can learn to play the violin. Very few will have the burning desire, put in the hard work or have the talent to become a maestro. This isn't being negative. It is what it is.

mcmodern
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Anyone can learn to play the violin. Very few will have the burning desire, put in the hard work or have the talent to become a maestro. This isn't being negative. It is what it is.

To me 2200 master is not super difficult to attain, given the right training, dedication and above average talent. We are not talking about GM or even IM here. 

GhostNight

Harvey don't you ever sleep?Cool

itchynscratchy

Will you be able to get a master title ? dunno.

Is there a chance ? yes.

Harvey_Wallbanger
mcmodern wrote:
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Anyone can learn to play the violin. Very few will have the burning desire, put in the hard work or have the talent to become a maestro. This isn't being negative. It is what it is.

To me 2200 master is not super difficult to attain, given the right training, dedication and above average talent. We are not talking about GM or even IM here. 

   Bulldroppings...tell that to the 99%+ of chess players who will never come close. Oh...never mind. You did say "above average talent", "the right training" and "dedication". I thought I had already said that, a few posts back. Never mind.

   Though, doesn't this rule out the vast majority of players? So when you say "isn't super difficult", it seems to me that you are excluding 99%+ of players. Your point is a bit vacuous.

GhostNight: "Harvey don't you ever sleep?"

   You aren't stalking me, are you...lol?

   I'm am old guy, around your age (the 70+ club) . You know the drill. Insomnia and a bunch of stuff comes with the territory. But I'm not complaining...like you, I'm still alive and also playing chess. Smile

Ziryab
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

Bubba, you need not lecture me about Dr. Laurence J. Peters...I have an M.B.A.  I stand by what I said. Chill. 

I'm not lecturing, just suggesting that I don't quite see how you got from Peters' "level of incompetence" to Yeres' comment.

My representative in Congress has an M.B.A., too. She's a little smarter than a fencepost. Very little.

Not that I would poo poo your degree. Most M.B.A.s are a little sharper than the average knife. Maybe you should put some of that learning on display by explaining the connections a little more clearly.

 

My doctorate is not in business.

Harvey_Wallbanger

lol...you old goat. Smile

Jenium

I guess it depends what kind of master title you are aiming at. If you consider CM or NM to be a master title, then you might have a realistic chance.

Harvey_Wallbanger
yeres30 wrote:

A patzer is a patzer.  Reaching master level is just an exercise in futility. No amount of dedication, hard work, study, etc. is sufficient enough for a patzer to reach master level.

The point I am making is that there is a limit to a person's talent that can not be overcome in order to reach master level.

Dedication, hard work, lots of study, etc. can enable a person to reach the limit of his ability.  But if that limit does not reach master level, that's it for that person.

Z: "I don't quite see how you got from Peters' "level of incompetence" to Yeres' comment."

   What part don't you comprehend? People have varying levels of competence in chess. Some people will play all their life and never break 1200. Others will play only a few or several years to reach master level. It's all a bell-shaved curve, you know.

   You've reached your level of incompetence, haven't you? Yes! So have I. Smile

Note: If it makes you feel better: 

You've reached your level of competence, haven't you? Yes! So have I. Smile

SmyslovFan

The Peter Principle is applicable to corporations and other bureaucracies, not chess ratings. 

I have no clue whether All_Exceed can reach master level. If he's telling the truth about having an IM for a coach, then the coach may be able to answer the question for him. 

Set your goals. If your life-time goal is to become a master, don't worry about whether others think it's possible. Work out how you can do it, and then work to attain your goal. 

It's an extremely challenging goal, and you will have to make some sacrifices to reach that goal. Are you willing to make those sacrifices?

itchynscratchy

knight sac on f7 like a boss.

NativeChessMinerals

It seems that to apply the Peter Principle to ratings, you would want to show that people gain rating points for the wrong reasons, and gain them until they reach a rating they don't deserve.

However with formulas like Elo or Glicko, the relationship between our rating gain and performance is statistically sound.