op made great point ! there is no question about it. there is no reason for explorer to be accessible during live game, period. devs simply f up...
Will you please get rid of the Explorer link in live chess?
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DrSpudnik wrote:
I don't know how anyone could use a database in a speed game. I think what gives people an advantage in a speed game would be using an engine, which can think through the position extremely quickly and suggest good moves that can be played fairly quickly in the time constraints of the game. Using the database gives you the top move played in a position as well as various other moves along with the percentage results after playing that (an only that) move. To use it properly, you'll have to look into the various moves and how they played out in order to judge them properly. This would eat up a rapid or blitz player's entire time and they'll lose before move 10.
Even in 3-day per move games, I find that by about move 10-15 (sometimes earlier) people stray from the existing lines in the database and you're on your own anyhow.
you dont know how database use could be exploited?? play any trappy, sharp gambit/opening where 1 inaccurate move could lead to disaster. simple 1 click on that button takes less than 1 second and automatically brings you to a list of best moves in current position. that takes way less time than remembering refutation or calculating anything. this seems fare to you?
Sep 19, 2021
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Devilish_Bad_Games wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
I don't know how anyone could use a database in a speed game. I think what gives people an advantage in a speed game would be using an engine, which can think through the position extremely quickly and suggest good moves that can be played fairly quickly in the time constraints of the game. Using the database gives you the top move played in a position as well as various other moves along with the percentage results after playing that (an only that) move. To use it properly, you'll have to look into the various moves and how they played out in order to judge them properly. This would eat up a rapid or blitz player's entire time and they'll lose before move 10.
Even in 3-day per move games, I find that by about move 10-15 (sometimes earlier) people stray from the existing lines in the database and you're on your own anyhow.
you dont knw how database use could be exploited?? play any trappy, sharp gambit/opening where 1 inaccurate move could lead to disaster. simple 1 click on that button takes less than 1 second and automatically brings you to a list of best moves. that takes way less time than remembering refutation or calculating anything. this seems fare to you?
It seems like common fare, but it probably isn't fair in some ultimate scheme of things. However, the problem will eventually arise for the faux-gambiteer that they run out of their book moves and are stuck flopping around on their own.
again, my point is that devs clearly made gross oversight ( why there would be a button, thats forbidden to click?? add it in post game analysis, problem solved). i could not care less if my opponents use it against me... I would not use it, cuz its very easy to see how to exploit it and get unfair opening advantage (for premium members especially) and thats not cool... the thing is, there is no single reason for that feature to be there. its simply a glitch and can only confuse some players, unless im wrong and its allowed to use database in live.
Yeah it should be removed
Sep 20, 2021
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#48
darkbrah7654 wrote:
cc staff changed dababy's name to @dasburner lmao
He didn't change by himself?
Sep 20, 2021
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#49
Batman2508 wrote:
darkbrah7654 wrote:
cc staff changed dababy's name to @dasburner lmao
He didn't change by himself?
no lol
Sep 20, 2021
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#50
It probably should be removed, it creates confusion as to whether using it in live time controls (non-daily games) is cheating or it is not
I CAN CHEAT WHOOO!
xd lol
im jk
nerd
Sep 26, 2021
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#52
Bestunknownplayer wrote:
I CAN CHEAT WHOOO!
xd lol
im jk
nerd
lmao parker
Sep 26, 2021
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#53
NO MORE MEMORIZING THEORY AND ALL THAT OPENING STUFF GUYS, CHESS.COM IS ALLOWING US TO CHEAT! THIS MUST BE A BLESSING FROM GOD *INSERT CELEBRATION HERE*
Oct 28, 2021
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#54
StumpyBlitzer wrote:
Thanks i will see what feedback i get for this,
any update on this? as far as I'm aware there hasn't been any change yet
I quite like using this feature to learn openings. But would appreciate some more formal guidance on whether it is formally allowed or not ,to use the feature for this purpose.
Sure, I'm mostly interested in whether it's technically allowed or not.
Sorry for asking this in two threads at once. That was unnecessary, but to close off this question with the given answer in my other thread, it's not allowed
https://www.chess.com/legal/fair-play
Jan 12, 2022
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fluffywhether wrote:
Sure, I'm mostly interested in whether it's technically allowed or not.
Any form of assistance in live games is prohibited, whether that be an openings database, coaching, or use of books
Daily is a different story
Jan 12, 2022
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#59
but my thread is explicitly just against the openings explorer link in live games. I don't see why they can't just have a link after the game finishes and take it out of the live interface during games
Time beyond Game-30 really isn't "speed" or "rapid" chess. Barely. And then you're in the same spot as above, where book moves are left well before move 20. Then you're just playing a middlegame. There's no middlegame database I know of.
30|0 is FIDE rapid, I believe. Anyway, true. People may go out of book, but it can still be exploited.