Would Go ability increase Chess ability?

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Avatar of CheckmatePhantasms

Interesting question I would think. I know none of you have a college degree in psychology or neuroscience, but hear me out:

Go is a game of calculation, so is chess. They are both a game of spatial logic if you put it another way. I have found by recently picking up go that I am able to calculate quite far (10-12 moves after a minute my chess is about 4-5 after a minute but that's because of the complexity of the pieces). I heard many people start with significantly weaker ability. I imagine if someone in go started with it then went to chess they would be surprised at the significantly reduced ability to see ahead. Or maybe it's the opposite and people are chess gods compared to that highly complex game. 

What are your thoughts?

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In go pieces are placed and never move, also pieces just sit where they are, they have no influence.

Now imagine a move like bishop on c1 to g5. Not only do you have to imagine a bishop on g5, you have to remove the bishop on c1. You also have to imagine its new line of influence (the h4-d8 diagonal) and take away its old line of influence (the a3-c1 diagonal).

You also have to now recognize the g file and 5th rank has a new piece blocking it, and the c file and 1st rank no longer has a piece blocking it.

This may not seem like much, but to imagine a chess position 4 moves ahead, potentially a LOT on the board has changed. Many new lines of influence, many files, ranks, and diagonals are now blocked / unblocked, and many pieces that may not even exist on the board anymore.

Avatar of Puredication

I think that doing any type of strategy (Chess, Go, Sudoku, Logic Puzzles) help you on the others. Strategy as a whole affects any strategy game. So, because I am good at chess (OTB, not online), and already see ahead, once I understand the rules of a game, I can immediately start formulating strategies in Go and thinking ahead in Logic Puzzles. I think that strategy games are a "the tide rises all boats" type of thing.

Avatar of MickinMD

I was taught Go by a Taiwanese roommate in graduate school at IIT in the 1970's and have rarely played it since, so I have little expertise in Go but I think I have enough to make the following observations.

I think the calculation and concentration help in chess, but it's an extremely inefficient way of doing it because the goals are different (surround pieces/territory vs capture king) and a very BIG part of chess is pattern recognition and tactical and positional motifs which are extremely different in Chess than in Go.

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I played both chess and go in college and found them frustratingly dissimilar; I picked up chess fairly readily and was persistently terrible at go.  A master said, "Sometimes you seem to know what you are doing for a while, then you make a move that reveals you have no clue whatsoever."  Chess for me is all about combining the potential of the unlike pieces to work towards a common goal; there's nothing analogous in go, which is much more spatial.

Briefly, I also played shogi (Japanese chess) and found that chess skills were highly useful:  I managed to pick up a second place at a novice tournament after only playing for a few weeks, pretty much purely on chess skill.

No doubt the raw ability to concentrate and visualize transfers between all games of this kind, but for go/chess in particular I don't think much else does.  Shogi/chess is entirely another story.

Avatar of CheckmatePhantasms

Thank you for the posts.

I have not yet played much Shogi @mkkuhner but I understand the rules. Indeed, I have found in a few days of playing Go it is very different from chess. I do believe that starting without playing chess would leave you at a disadvantage compared to someone who has played chess.

Go is pretty interesting however in it's ability to be so complex it is not dominated by engines. Also in the fact there is no such thing as a draw in Go (no borefests as in a certain *cough* chess championship *cough*) due to Komi. However yes, the strategy is quite different @MickinMD and I have not yet gotten below 26 kyu after a few days of constant study.

 

An observation on Go, is I think that unlike chess, it would be nearly impossible to play "Good Go" in a bullet time format. I am sure someone in the professional range can play well but in general I find it would be significantly harder than chess in this matter. I have to focus on a Go game for at least 30 minutes for me to play at any competent level as of right now. 


@Puredication: I have gleamed from a few psychology books that your brain has many "circuits" that do different things, I can imagine a spatial reasoning circuit to connect all games in this genre. Or I could be wrong and be spouting nonsense, because I really don't understand this topic.

 

@Stiggling my point exactly on the calculation measures. However diving more into go, visualization becomes a problem due to the fact in chess you are quite used to pieces moving I have forgotten this and lost many a Go game. 

Any more points or counterarguements discussing this topic I will try to reply to.