would playing obscure openings throw grandmasters off guard

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superking500

for example if you played say a4 or b4 against Magnus would he be thrown off guard by it?

Nemo96

1k+ blitz games played and still having a rating of 544 eludes me

TMHgn

Not very likely but can happen once in a century I suppose.

Karpov lost once with white against Tony Miles when they opened 1 e4 a5 (or was it ...b5?). But Miles was a GM too, so he knew what he was doing.

Iziin

Maybe for a second or two, but he will resume destroying you soon.

ponz111

The answer is that it depends on the exact unclear opening and how strong you are.

The_Ghostess_Lola

You'd probably be making their day....keep them from boredom. 

pentiumjs

Hi superking500--keep in mind that grandmasters aren't people who've memorized enough sequences of moves to win lucky games.  They have profound understanding of development, tactics, and positional play, to the extent that they've defeated thousands of opponents from unknown situations.  So they might think about the early moves more than if you played a book line, but they still aren't likely to uncork something horrendous in response.

RBIII_inactive

you would continue watching them devolop and then destroy you for wasting moves on your turn.  you would loose momentum and their structure would expose your weakness.  play a 2500 rated computer with something like that and you will soon understand.  

majimba

tigerprowl yoda is quite proud of hisself, or bluffing bigtime!? quite entertaining to read Estragon... i'm still figuring out the trunk lines myself, never wandering far from e4...c5 or d4...Nf6. kings gambit is fun to try on lower ranked oppenents ;)

bobbyDK

I think if you start with a strange move like a4, a GM can convert the opening into a known opening.

you may still think you play your strange opening after move 5 but the GM may have transposed it into a pet opening.

a4 doesn't do anything on move 1 and the GM is free to play whatever he wants in the center.

blitzjoker
majimba wrote:

tigerprowl yoda is quite proud of hisself, or bluffing bigtime!? quite entertaining to read Estragon... i'm still figuring out the trunk lines myself, never wandering far from e4...c5 or d4...Nf6. kings gambit is fun to try on lower ranked oppenents ;)

tigerprowl is being deadly serious, as indeed am I.

TMHgn
LuftWaffles hat geschrieben:

"We killed him, of course."

LOL! Laughing

johnyoudell

no

ViktorHNielsen
TomHaegin wrote:

Not very likely but can happen once in a century I suppose.

Karpov lost once with white against Tony Miles when they opened 1 e4 a5 (or was it ...b5?). But Miles was a GM too, so he knew what he was doing.

It was 1. e4 a6!+, and is annotated on chessgames.com: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1068157

 

Playing 1. a4 can be deadly against super-GMs. At least if it's the worlds blitz championsship, and your name is Magnus Carlsen: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1671724

Mika_Rao

GMs have surely never heard of, much less seen, the move 1.b3

Good call.

bobbyDK
Mika_Rao skrev:

GMs have surely never heard of, much less seen, the move 1.b3

Good call.

you have obviously never heard of Grandmaster Bent Larsen.

http://www.chess.com/blog/kurtgodden/who-suggested-1-b3

he was known for playing b3 quite often.

ViktorHNielsen
bobbyDK wrote:
Mika_Rao skrev:

GMs have surely never heard of, much less seen, the move 1.b3

Good call.

you have obviously never heard of Grandmaster Bent Larsen.

http://www.chess.com/blog/kurtgodden/who-suggested-1-b3

he was known for playing b3 quite often.

Not to mention 1. b3 is called the Larsen Attack (or Nimzo-Larsen or something like that)

Mika_Rao
bobbyDK wrote:
Mika_Rao skrev:

GMs have surely never heard of, much less seen, the move 1.b3

Good call.

you have obviously never heard of Grandmaster Bent Larsen.

http://www.chess.com/blog/kurtgodden/who-suggested-1-b3

he was known for playing b3 quite often.

I guess sarcasm doesn't work well in text.

Mika_Rao

Too bad chess isn't a game of who knows more theory.

You wouldn't have these 10 year olds beating adults, and you certainly wouldn't have 20 year old world champions.

Likhit1

Yes.But if they're playing a non GM,they'll win regardless.(Usually)