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a lone knight can giave a mate by firerods
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This is not your puzzle. Why would you claim that this is your puzzle? I guarantee I have seen this a number of times before.
basically anything you do in chess is almost garentied to have happened somewhere before. yes this puzzle is known by lots of people but so are your games that you play. i guarentee that your games were once played by someone else before you. its the way the game is
the_chairman wrote:
basically anything you do in chess is almost garentied to have happened somewhere before. yes this puzzle is known by lots of people but so are your games that you play. i guarentee that your games were once played by someone else before you. its the way the game is
Poppycock!
I am sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous. To actually think that it is possible to guarantee that chess games have happened before, it is quite clear that you have played very, very little chess. Even if you stick to only the most popular mainline theory, the chances that your game will have occurred before is infinitesimal. To say that pretty much anything in chess has happened before is even more ridiculously ignorant.
Worst of all, though, is attempting to defend someone that has obviously taken a classic endgame puzzle and claimed it as their own work.
TonightOnly wrote: the_chairman wrote:
basically anything you do in chess is almost garentied to have happened somewhere before. yes this puzzle is known by lots of people but so are your games that you play. i guarentee that your games were once played by someone else before you. its the way the game is
Poppycock!
I am sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous. To actually think that it is possible to guarantee that chess games have happened before, it is quite clear that you have played very, very little chess. Even if you stick to only the most popular mainline theory, the chances that your game will have occurred before is infinitesimal. To say that pretty much anything in chess has happened before is even more ridiculously ignorant.
Worst of all, though, is attempting to defend someone that has obviously taken a classic endgame puzzle and claimed it as their own work.
Is Poppycock similar to Hogwash ? 
i disagree entirly. chess has been play for an awfully long time and to beleive that everyone has had an individual and entirly new game every time is ridiculous. to say that this puzzle has been stolen is really quite pathetic in nature seeing as it would bring firerods nothing in gain to do so. and i would also like to point out he hasnt claimed it as his own puzzle he has merely posted it saying its his first puzzle poted. and even if he has he was probebly unaware of it before. when a new player starts a game they more than likely find anopening of there own not going into any books or references. that opening may bea very famous one however that doesnt mean they stole it. this is exactly the same.
The problem/puzzle presented is well known, I have seen it in various books over the years. It certainly was not created by the poster. The way he worded his statement its very easy to think that he meant he created it, and its the first time he has posted his creation, only he can say exactly what he meant. It would be interesting to hear from him at this point to clear it all up.
the_chairman wrote: i disagree entirly. chess has been play for an awfully long time and to beleive that everyone has had an individual and entirly new game every time is ridiculous. to say that this puzzle has been stolen is really quite pathetic in nature seeing as it would bring firerods nothing in gain to do so. and i would also like to point out he hasnt claimed it as his own puzzle he has merely posted it saying its his first puzzle poted. and even if he has he was probebly unaware of it before. when a new player starts a game they more than likely find anopening of there own not going into any books or references. that opening may bea very famous one however that doesnt mean they stole it. this is exactly the same.
Poppycock!
Playing an opening that has been played before is nothing like taking someone else's work and calling it their own, and there is nothing pathetic with wanting to hold someone like this accountable.
Perhaps you do not understand how much pride problemists have in their work. To call someone else's puzzle their own, even unwittingly, is quite a serious infringement. Think about it. If you plagiarize, it doesn't matter if you meant to or not, it is still illegal. Composers have no domain over musical ideas, such as chord progressions, but all it takes is six notes in a row of a melody to be grounds for copyright infringement.
Perhaps he was just trying to say that it was the first puzzle that he has posted, but then any misunderstanding would have to be chalked up to bad English in the op. If you look at my first post, I simply asked him to explain why he had called it his puzzle, and did not accuse him of stealing the puzzle.
Lastly, you have misquoted me about how many repeated games of chess I suspect there have been. I am sure that some have been repeated, and opening traps probably have been played many times similarly. However, if you play a game to the endgame, there is an incredibly small chance that it has ever been seen before, even in the entire history of the game. If you don't believe me, check out the math on how many possible positions can occur after each move.
Imo, anyone that posts a puzzle on this site that is not completely original, should make it a rule to post the author's name or the game from which it was taken.
im quite aware of the math. however there are millions of endings that end with a rook and king verses king. that doesnt mean each one is a different ending. it comes to the same basic principals. i agree that plagerism is a horrible thing. but not everthing has been stolen and this is a situaion where someone has come up with a position that may have been discovered ages ago but he was unaware. an endgame you may have found great in your life was probebly played out before you. it doesnt mean you stole it. you simply ended up with it also.
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First time I've seen this particular puzzle, but I'm fairly new to chess. I give the author the benifit of the doubt...maybe they did think it up on their own even if it is a classic.
this is my first puzzle which i have posted in the forum topic enjoy it n comments are welcome.