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wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#41

DefinitelyNotGM wrote:

SkepticGuy wrote:

Why using AdBlock is a bad thing:

http://www.andrewt.net/blog/posts/adblock-is-a-bad-thing/

Feel free to flame away.

The comments by the author (is it you?) imply that blocking ads is stealing from the website owners. Therefore, in the same way, viewing ads (or worse, clicking on them) but not buying the product is "stealing" from the advertiser.

No it wasn't skeptic, he didn't understand the real issue.

I see your point with some chagrin but I'm willing to...rob from Peter to pay Paul!!!!

wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#42

SkepticGuy wrote:

wishiwonthatone wrote:
The point is that the ads on this site (and ONLY this site) force me to use task manager to close my browser and restart. My objection to that is not cheap. Those of you who reduce it to that level are being malicious.

Why not just disable Flash if it's such an issue?

The advertising supplier will fail-over to a non-Flash animted GIF or static image. Which means an ad is shown, and Chess.com gets paid for the impression.

Are you thinking that this is the only site I visit which uses flash or are you thinking that I should disable flash before visiting chess.com and then reenabling it when I wish to browser other web pages which use it? This idea would certainly prevent me from having multiple tabs open in one browser window. No. I don't like your idea. It's not a solution.

Benzodiazepine

Apr 1, 2014

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#43

SkepticGuy wrote:

wishiwonthatone wrote:
The point is that the ads on this site (and ONLY this site) force me to use task manager to close my browser and restart. My objection to that is not cheap. Those of you who reduce it to that level are being malicious.

Why not just disable Flash if it's such an issue?

The advertising supplier will fail-over to a non-Flash animted GIF or static image. Which means an ad is shown, and Chess.com gets paid for the impression.

Hey SkepticGuy, what if the ad uses HTML5 video/audio and other JS annoyances? Does stuff like that occur via Google (AdSense)?

wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#44

SkepticGuy wrote:

-sigh-

.... I "get" the complaints of people that claim the ads are intrusive, too flashy, etc....But when you used to buy magazines, did you rip out those horribly intrusive double-page ads, or full-page ads when you used to buy newspapers? ....

I reiterate that this is not addressing my OP but with respect to your analogy:

Honestly - YES! I am one of those people. The first thing I do when I get a magazine with those double thick inserts is go through the magazine and pull them all out. It's true. I do this because they prevent me from holding the magazine and turning the pages easily. By the way, none of those inserts gets read.

johnmusacha

Apr 1, 2014

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#45

Another point to Skeptic Guy, however minor this point is:

You compared internet advertisements to advertisements in newspapers and magazines. Print advertisements tend to be less obnoxious and distracting than internet advertisements. Especially newspaper ads, which are only in black-and-white. Even then, I do believe that if people had a "magic wand" they could wave over their Sunday Times to blank out all advertisements, they would.

salmiakki

Apr 1, 2014

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#46

Benzodiazepine wrote:

EricFleet wrote:

The way adblock works (and yes, I do use it), your browser never makes the request to pull the ad up. So the advertisement companies never register it as a view.

Hey salmiakki, the guy above speaks the truth. I bet he's some kind of IT/CS (information technology/computer science) guy. No offence, I am too.

Basically there is a function in the JavaScript, called detectAdBlockers().

It's a mere 34 lines in length (which is next to nothing) using RAW JavaScript without any Framework. It will randomly pick out of 3 images for each of the 3 ad containers. It's funny, probably an april fools.

What it does, is, it iterates through every <div> element on the page and checks whether it's ID equals begins with the string "div-gpt-ad" and if so it subsequently checks whether the element has got some height to it.
Here's the line of interest:

if (divEl.id.indexOf('div-gpt-ad') == 0 && !divEl.clientHeight)

Now well, if it's got no height then obviously the ad is not displayed as it should be.

I hope I didn't go too much into details.

Greetings and Love everyone,
Benzo guy

Wow! Thanks for the info! It's quite interesting and I really appreciate it. I took an intro to programming course in Java, and I can understand your explanation because of this class. I want to go into AI-related field, so I have many CS classes in front of me.

SkepticGuy

Apr 1, 2014

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#47

wishiwonthatone wrote:
Are you thinking that this is the only site I visit which uses flash or are you thinking that I should disable flash before visiting chess.com and then reenabling it when I wish to browser other web pages which use it? This idea would certainly prevent me from having multiple tabs open in one browser window. No. I don't like your idea. It's not a solution.

Safari and Chome (FireFox soon?) both have "PowerSave" options that give users the choice of letting Flash run on a case-by-case basis. You'll see a little "power save" button over a non-running Flash object... click the button to let the Flash play.

Most ad networks detect this, and won't serve Flash ads.

wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#48

johnmusacha wrote:

Another point to Skeptic Guy, however minor this point is:

You compared internet advertisements to advertisements in newspapers and magazines. ... Especially newspaper ads, which are only in black-and-white. ...

While I would love to agree with you, seeing that you're opposed to the skeptic, I can't. I'm not sure where you're from, but here the newspapers now come with ENDLESS full color inserts. And yes, I recycle without reading.

SkepticGuy

Apr 1, 2014

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#49

Benzodiazepine wrote:
Hey SkepticGuy, what if the ad uses HTML5 video/audio and other JS annoyances? Does stuff like that occur via Google (AdSense)?

Well, first, HTML5 requires significanlty less resources on the client-side than Flash.

Google AdSense does not allow auto-play audio or video in display ads, both Flash and HTML5.

Google AdExchange (used to be DoubleClick for Publishers, which many AdSense publishers use) does allow ads that do many automatic things -- expand, video, audio, etc. -- and it's up to the publisher to define which of these to negage/disallow in their control panel.

Since many websites use AdExchange (I don't) to optimize ad delivery, some aren't aware of where to disallow automatic video/audio.

johnmusacha

Apr 1, 2014

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#50

wishiwonthatone wrote:

johnmusacha wrote:

Another point to Skeptic Guy, however minor this point is:

You compared internet advertisements to advertisements in newspapers and magazines. ... Especially newspaper ads, which are only in black-and-white. ...

While I would love to agree with you, seeing that you're opposed to the skeptic, I can't. I'm not sure where you're from, but here the newspapers now come with ENDLESS full color inserts. And yes, I recycle without reading.

Inserts aren't obtrusive at all. Just shake them out and toss them. I think of it as gutting a fish.

SkepticGuy

Apr 1, 2014

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#51

johnmusacha wrote:

You compared internet advertisements to advertisements in newspapers and magazines. Print advertisements tend to be less obnoxious and distracting than internet advertisements. Especially newspaper ads, which are only in black-and-white. Even then, I do believe that if people had a "magic wand" they could wave over their Sunday Times to blank out all advertisements, they would.

The comparison holds up insofar as the advertising pays for content creation and delivery.

Let's break this down to its most simple proposition. Which would you prefer:

1) A limited Internet with only major brands and very few free-access sites that regularly exceed their monthly bandwidth limit, and are shut-off. But with no ads.

2) A vibrand and expansive Internet were interesting content abounds, but with ads.

As someone who's been around long enough to remember what #1 was like (AOL and CompuServe), I can assure you there are only two choices at this point.

Likhit1

Apr 1, 2014

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#52

All this fuss about Ads.TBH I haven't even noticed them until reading this thread.Thank you for spoiling it for me.

December_TwentyNine

Apr 1, 2014

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#53

And, for me TBH with all ya'll, I just CTRL + ALT + DEL to bring up the Windows Task Manager and select "End Task" on the "Adobe Flash Plaer 12.0" whenever those crazy ads go berserk!! No prob.

Sossitch

Apr 1, 2014

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#54

I choose option 3). A vibrant and expansive Internet where interesting content abounds, with ads, but only for suckers who don't block them.

EricFleet

Apr 1, 2014

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#55

NathanielGraham wrote:

I choose option 3). A vibrant and expansive Internet where interesting content abounds, with ads, but only for suckers who don't block them.

May I ask what you do for a living and what you would do if people stopped paying for the product that you make?

wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#56

EricFleet wrote:

NathanielGraham wrote:

I choose option 3). A vibrant and expansive Internet where interesting content abounds, with ads, but only for suckers who don't block them.

May I ask what you do for a living and what you would do if people stopped paying for the product that you make?

The context of this thread (in my opnion as the OP) is that ads which crash software legitimize the need to block ads. I never intended for ads to be blocked, only resorted to it as a means to a technical end.

I love ads. show me ads. no problem. crash my stuff???????????

SkepticGuy

Apr 1, 2014

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#57

wishiwonthatone wrote:
ads which crash software legitimize the need to block ads. I never intended for ads to be blocked, only resorted to it as a means to a technical end.

At the risk of thread derailment, but it may be valuable, may I ask about the technical details on your end? (private message if you like)

I've signed-out and looked at the ad networks Chess.com is using, and they all are reasonably-to-very good at imposing reasonable standards on the developers of ads approved to run on their networks. Perhaps there's a deeper/additional issue?

(I run a site that delivers over 3 million ads every day, this type of "crash" complaint is rare when reputable ad networks are used.)

wishiwonthatone

Apr 1, 2014

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#58

SkepticGuy wrote:

wishiwonthatone wrote:
ads which crash software legitimize the need to block ads. I never intended for ads to be blocked, only resorted to it as a means to a technical end.

At the risk of thread derailment, but it may be valuable, may I ask about the technical details on your end? (private message if you like)

I've signed-out and looked at the ad networks Chess.com is using, and they all are reasonably-to-very good at imposing reasonable standards on the developers of ads approved to run on their networks. Perhaps there's a deeper/additional issue?

(I run a site that delivers over 3 million ads every day, this type of "crash" complaint is rare when reputable ad networks are used.)

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/video-ads-kill-your-product

EDIT TO ADD: this thread shows my attempt to communicate, my computer information, and the fact that others have this problem.

Doggy_Style

Apr 1, 2014

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#59

When the ads become so distracting/annoying/pointless (recognise that line?) that they actively detract from the proffered experience, then the user should feel no guilt for banishing them.

jargonaught

Apr 1, 2014

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#60

you play for premium anyway?
so why would you get ads?