You entered a tournament you know you wont win any games in? So essentially you have given up before even starting, and youre going to miss out on the learning experience. And the only thing youre worried about is losing points?
I dont think youre into chess for the right reasons.
Actually no. And I think this is a crap rule by chess.com and is especially injurious to tournaments. If you simply timeout without making I think like at least the third move it will not affect your rating but will count as a loss. I hate large tournaments where a good percentage of people never make a move. Is unfair as some get a large number of no show wins. I could reeally care less. But in the one tourney I'm in, the Pirc. It is small only 12 player tournament and I the weakest player. I will likely get bumped quick so I want to play as many games as possible. I'm pretty excited actually I managed to get up two pawns and trade a rook for a bishop against a 1900 rated player. I am acutally equal or better in all other games save one. I went over hours of master games before playing and picked some patterns I liked. What I am trying to say is, why sign up if you are not going to play?
i signed up because i was planning to win.. and i was winning most of the games.. but im only 14 and ive been playing chess for too long and i need to start focussing on schoolwork. i didnt sign up for no reason. i just need a break to catch up on school work.
so i was hoping if i pulled out from all tourneys my rating would stay the same... but no. oh well.. thanks anyway.
Actually no. And I think this is a crap rule by chess.com and is especially injurious to tournaments. If you simply timeout without making I think like at least the third move it will not affect your rating but will count as a loss. I hate large tournaments where a good percentage of people never make a move. Is unfair as some get a large number of no show wins. I could reeally care less. But in the one tourney I'm in, the Pirc. It is small only 12 player tournament and I the weakest player. I will likely get bumped quick so I want to play as many games as possible. I'm pretty excited actually I managed to get up two pawns and trade a rook for a bishop against a 1900 rated player. I am acutally equal or better in all other games save one. I went over hours of master games before playing and picked some patterns I liked. What I am trying to say is, why sign up if you are not going to play?
Um... actually, if you time out, you lose rating points. The only exception to this is if you time out in a bunch of games in a row, you still stop losing points, but this is to protect the winners of the games, not protect the person timing out.
This protects the winners by allowing their rating adjustments to to up more. And the person who did the timing out, will have a HUGE hole to crawl out of, as their RD is reset.
i signed up because i was planning to win.. and i was winning most of the games.. but im only 14 and ive been playing chess for too long and i need to start focussing on schoolwork. i didnt sign up for no reason. i just need a break to catch up on school work.
so i was hoping if i pulled out from all tourneys my rating would stay the same... but no. oh well.. thanks anyway.
Playing chess for too long? No such thing! Also, there's vacation time for that; no need to forfeit all your games if you need to take a short break.
yeah. i did that. but i only got a few days of vacation left now.. but thnks anyway.
It simply amazes me how preachy chess players are. He asked a question that had a simple answer and everybody started questioning his ethics and morality and most didn't even answer the question. I have considered withdrawing from a couple of tournaments simply because I had too many games going on at one time and needed more time and hate using vacation time. I didn't but whether I do or not is MY BUSINESS - - not you preachy &@#*#'s!!
New info - I now know what happens in certain cases - if you finish a section and withdraw before the next round begins NOTHING HAPPENS. You just don't get paired. SIMPLE as it should be.
if i pull out from a tournament, i know i'd lose all the games but would i lose the rating points for all the games as well?
If you have active games and you withdraw or manually resign each game, ratings are impacted.
If you have games with less than three and a half moves and time out there is no impact on ratings. Timeouts will be affected.
if i pull out from a tournament, i know i'd lose all the games but would i lose the rating points for all the games as well?
If you have active games and you withdraw or manually resign each game, ratings are impacted.
If you have games with less than three and a half moves and time out there is no impact on ratings. Timeouts will be affected.
Not all comments are entirely correct!
I withdraw from a 2nd round (chesscom 1600-1800) as soon as that started thus without making any move. Reason being that in meantime my rating had gone up >600 points and I thought it not fair towards my fellow players to compete with them with a so much higher rating.
Alas... I followed wrong procedure. Lost all my games AND lost >450 rating points.
So, message for you all... just let 2nd round start and lose on time. That way you effectively withdraw but without repercussions on your rating.
if i pull out from a tournament, i know i'd lose all the games but would i lose the rating points for all the games as well?
If you have active games and you withdraw or manually resign each game, ratings are impacted.
If you have games with less than three and a half moves and time out there is no impact on ratings. Timeouts will be affected.
Not all comments are entirely correct!
I withdraw from a 2nd round (chesscom 1600-1800) as soon as that started thus without making any move. Reason being that in meantime my rating had gone up >600 points and I thought it not fair towards my fellow players to compete with them with a so much higher rating.
Alas... I followed wrong procedure. Lost all my games AND lost >450 rating points.
So, message for you all... just let 2nd round start and lose on time. That way you effectively withdraw but without repercussions on your rating.
You stated you had active games. You withdrew. You lost rating points. Where are the comments incorrect?
Your suggestion about timing out is problematic as most who do so will not be able to register in another tournament for 90 days.
Again:
thus without making any move. Reason being that in meantime my rating had gone up >600 points and I thought it not fair towards my fellow players
I followed wrong procedure... lost >450 rating points.
Read between the lines... should I be punished by losing 450 points because I thought playing with a rating of >2000 in a 1600-1800 tournament was not good sportsmanship??
When I simply did nothing and let it time out I would not have lost any rating!
That's my message..
Again:
thus without making any move. Reason being that in meantime my rating had gone up >600 points and I thought it not fair towards my fellow players
I followed wrong procedure... lost >450 rating points.
Read between the lines... should I be punished by losing 450 points because I thought playing with a rating of >2000 in a 1600-1800 tournament was not good sportsmanship??
When I simply did nothing and let it time out I would not have lost any rating!
That's my message..
Facts / opinion all the same?
Fact is, it was an unfair tournament. Unfair to you. A player with a rating of 2100 is overmatched in an official 1601-1800 tournament.
http://www.chess.com/tournaments/players.html?id=25722
| Name | Record | Score | Tiebreak | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|
 JDHJR (2359)  |
12-0-0 | 12 | 40 | Active |
 TodorStrasni (2352)  |
16-0-0 | 16 | 52 | Active |
 BigDaddy11 (2348) |
9-1-0 | 9 | 34 | Active |
 blott (2331)  |
12-0-1 | 12.5 | 40.25 | Active |
 ricardof (2289)  |
12-0-0 | 12 | 40 | Active |
 batsford (2239)  |
11-0-1 | 11.5 | 39.25 | Active |
 AlekseyP (2237)  h |
9-0-1 | 9.5 | 37.25 | Active |
 AlexanderRUS (2228)  |
8-1-1 | 8.5 | 32 | Eliminated |
 xscapper (2223)  |
14-0-0 | 14 | 44 | Active |
 HaFaSani (2194)  |
9-1-0 | 9 | 38 | Removed |
 wittenstein (2192)  |
12-0-0 | 12 | 40 | Active |
 satyrisus (2145)  |
14-0-0 | 14 | 44 | Active |
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quote Fact is, it was an unfair tournament. Unfair to you. A player with a rating of 2100 is overmatched in an official 1601-1800 tournament. unquote
Don't understand why it should be an unfair tournament. Imagine I enrolled when I had a rating at about 1610, thus at the time it seemed the right tournament. After some time I gained additional rating, and that's when I decided that indeed I was overmatched for that tournament and enrolled in a higher one.
So I quit for reasons of sportmanship and get punished. How's that for fair rules?
It's hardly uncommon for players to level up beyond the initial rating range of a tournament over the long duration of a multi-round correspondence tournament. In fact, it's rare NOT to see it happen. There is no obligation to withdraw or resign simply because you have improved.
To the point earlier posters have made, you have the option to withdraw without losing rating points, if you do so before the round starts. Once games are in progress, they are rated in standard fashion.
quote the option to withdraw without losing rating points, if you do so before the round starts. unquote
Yes, I know that now! I should have done so before the round started. But I did not know!! It is not easy to find the applicable rule on chess.com. I belive even the FAQ lists do not mention this.
I don't care so much myself. But my opponents in my present tournament stand to lose more rating points now than before. They are "punished" as well by this rule.
if i pull out from a tournament, i know i'd lose all the games but would i lose the rating points for all the games as well?