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Scarblac wrote:

Uhm... I thought a few years ago (round about the time rule 10.2 was introduced). I distinctly recall it being a rule. But now I'm Googling around, and Wikipedia only says that it used to be a rule, and the discussion page says that books from 1951 mention that it used to be a rule. That was before my time... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Perpetual_check)


I did a lot of digging around this question when I found out it wasn't a rule.  Apparently in only ever really even got referenced in that one version of the rules (1951).  I believe the thinking behind its omission is that a perpetual check situation will eventually lead to either 3 fold repetition or 50 moves without a capture or pawn move so explicitly having a rule for it is redundant.

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Reb wrote:
Scarblac wrote:

Yeah, either that or the fifty moves rule (in those situations where the king is chased over the whole board).

But you have to make the moves first to claim, you can't stop the clock and show the arbiter that it's impossible for him to get out of the checks.


 Actually, either player may stop the clocks in order to summon the arbiter but if the arbiter decides you didnt have a legit cause to do so you can get a penalty against you. Also, whoever stops the clocks , it must be their move. You cannot stop the clocks if its your opponents move.


The first part makes sense, but why the second?  You're only ever actually stopping one of the clocks, and when it's your opponent's move it's his clock you're stopping.  If it was my move I certainly wouldn't take issue with my opponent stopping my clock.

Is it possibly just out of consideration for your opponent's concentration?

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Gert-Jan wrote:
2godlyf4U wrote:

itz drawn bawt.... yd u repetion? u shud of tried be4 u got the draw


 the translation of the last part is:you should have tried before you got the draw.(read his sentence phonetic.)


 but i still dont know what "yd" means

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TheGrobe wrote:
Reb wrote:
Scarblac wrote:

Yeah, either that or the fifty moves rule (in those situations where the king is chased over the whole board).

But you have to make the moves first to claim, you can't stop the clock and show the arbiter that it's impossible for him to get out of the checks.


 Actually, either player may stop the clocks in order to summon the arbiter but if the arbiter decides you didnt have a legit cause to do so you can get a penalty against you. Also, whoever stops the clocks , it must be their move. You cannot stop the clocks if its your opponents move.


The first part makes sense, but why the second?  You're only ever actually stopping one of the clocks, and when it's your opponent's move it's his clock you're stopping.  If it was my move I certainly wouldn't take issue with my opponent stopping my clock.

Is it possibly just out of consideration for your opponent's concentration?


 Yes, I think so.

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 but i still dont know what "yd" means

A wild guess here ... "why'd...?"

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kamsky just saved a game with perpetual check not to long ago im sure it was FIDE sanctioned...ill have to go find that game...

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jpd303 wrote:

kamsky just saved a game with perpetual check not to long ago im sure it was FIDE sanctioned...ill have to go find that game...


 ok, lets see

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here feb. 2009 topalov vs kamsky world championship semi-finals game 1...im fairly certain (sarcasm dripping) that this was a FIDE sanctioned match http://chessmagnetschool.com/gambit/nytchess.php?mode=game&dataset=49&first=351 or for the article http://gambit.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/game-1-of-kamsky-topalov-match-is-drawn/ 

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nice

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heres a problem for you that are interested

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think its a good one?

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jpd303 wrote:

here feb. 2009 topalov vs kamsky world championship semi-finals game 1...im fairly certain (sarcasm dripping) that this was a FIDE sanctioned match http://chessmagnetschool.com/gambit/nytchess.php?mode=game&dataset=49&first=351 or for the article http://gambit.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/game-1-of-kamsky-topalov-match-is-drawn/ 


It wasn't a draw by perpetual check. It was a draw by agreement (because of a perpetual check which would have led to a repetition of the same position for the third time or 50 moves without a pawn move or capture)

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whatever, it would have been perpetual check anyway.

have you guys checked out my puzzle?

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You're missing the point: It WAS perpetual check, but it wasn't DRAWN by perpetual check because there is no perpetual check rule. As for your puzzle, it's completely out-of-place in this topic.

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fine, perpetual check is not a rule, but a way to reach the threefold repition.

heres an example

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WanderingWinder wrote:

You're missing the point: It WAS perpetual check, but it wasn't DRAWN by perpetual check because there is no perpetual check rule. As for your puzzle, it's completely out-of-place in this topic.


 I agree with what you stated. Chess teaching games such as Chessmaster3000 and 9000, clearly show a game is drawn when two players repeat the same three moves consecutively. Perpetual check, as shown in the puzze above, is used by a player when any other move would lead to material loss and, in most cases, checkmate.

When I was in school many years ago, my friends would often refer to the three moves as perpetual check even if the king was not in check!!!

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yep, i just saved 2 games today and two days ago, both down a pawn or two, not by perpetual, but by THREEFOLD REPETITION.