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NobbyCapeTown

I raised several topics on this very same issue. There are some, for lack of a better word, computer experts who abuse their knowledge and talent to win chess games and then downgrade to geek, nerd or imbecile status.

Why ? Only the toes knows....

Omega_Doom
notmtwain wrote:
FernandoSampaio wrote:

And when you lose on time after checkmated your opponent? happened to me, twice, in blitz tournaments.  I immediately left those Tournaments, although this may configure disregard for other players, those who do not cheat. But I was upset and did not even think about it...

You can't lose on time after you checkmated your opponent.  

You should try to understand lag adjustments. Please read this article from chess.com.  Why did the clock times suddenly change?

In reality, you were lost on time before you got a chance to play your checkmate. Sadly, your connection was slow and so your computer didn't show it to you that way.

Can't imagine how it's possible unless there is something wrong with the clock of the computer. You've got a move from a server, you have time and you make a move. Btw now i have a guess how people can cheat. If the server takes into account the time when a computer sends a move then people can cheat with it. If the server takes into account the time when it receives a move then it's not fair because people with big lag can lose much time. So if it's the second scenario then ping to server very important. Anyone knows address of the server?

Ziryab

A toggle switch that introduces short breaks in one's own connection can be used to mimic lag. At fast time controls, this might confer some minimal advantage.

FernandoSampaio

My dear friend notmtwain, I have read the article in question and I am not convinced...

Why does the lag is different for two players from the same country? And why the lag problem only arises near the checkmate? before everything was going well ... They try to convince us otherwise, but every time I'm sure there are more cheating in game time !!

FernandoSampaio

kaynight, I assume you do not have this problem, looking your rating ...

If you came here just for that, lost your time, you could take to improve your game.

Best Regards.

KirbyCake

no cheat here, just a huge exploit in chess.com.

and you wonder why its a terrible site.

Ziryab
kaynight wrote:

Then leave!!

When this place is run by folks I can beat when I'm drunk, I'll leave. Not before.

David
FernandoSampaio wrote:

Why does the lag is different for two players from the same country? 

Because lag is dependent on the speed of your internet connection. Two people from the same country can easily have different Internet Service Providers with different underlying network structures. Even if you have the same ISP, they may have varying amounts of traffic in different parts of that network. Even if the two computers were on the same part of the network, the signals that they send can take completely different routes to get to the server.

FernandoSampaio wrote:

And why the lag problem only arises near the checkmate? before everything was going well 

That could very well an illusion and you are just noticing it more when the game is coming to an end and every millisecond is important - if slight lag is happening in the early part of the game, your brain probably isn't registering it as closely. It's like how you notice all the red traffic lights more than the green ones.

Ziryab
Caedrel wrote:
FernandoSampaio wrote:

Why does the lag is different for two players from the same country? 

Because lag is dependent on the speed of your internet connection. Two people from the same country can easily have different Internet Service Providers with different underlying network structures. Even if you have the same ISP, they may have varying amounts of traffic in different parts of that network. Even if the two computers were on the same part of the network, the signals that they send can take completely different routes to get to the server.

Latency is not the same thing as speed. Fortunately, the rest of your answer is more accurate.

My internet speed today is hundreds of times faster than when I started playing chess online. My lag then and now is usually close to the same, but sometimes the high speed cable lag is horrid. This usually happens when everyone in the neighborhood is streaming someting on Netflix.

See http://compnetworking.about.com/od/basicnetworkingconcepts/a/causes-of-lag-on-computer-networks-and-online.htm for a better explanation.

FernandoSampaio

kaynight, thank you for the advice, but I will not accept it ...

Sorry there, man, but I see you as someone who can advise me any good. You have a very good day ...

End of story!

913Glorax12
kaynight wrote:

Fernando: At the end of the day, chess is a game. I enjoy playing, will never be a GM.Don't play here if you have a problem. End of. } ? { 

I am left in suspense

mjauert

I just had a similar experience. I was playing bullet, healthy lead on clock, material and position.  For several moves my opponents clock goes to 0.0, but then suddenly his piece moves and I respond instantly, but still loses several second each time and eventually loses on time. I know, it´s just a game, but it really makes me p....d.

Exo2323

This person clearly cheated, if you go back watch this game this guy went to 3 rooks without using a pawn, then add an extra king with out using a pawn.

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1070192667

beniev is the name and he clearly cheated.

Martin_Stahl
Exo2323 wrote:

This person clearly cheated, if you go back watch this game this guy went to 3 rooks without using a pawn, then add an extra king with out using a pawn.

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=1070192667

 

That game looks completely normal. Not sure what you are seeing.

Avgustinsimic

There are realy problems with chess.com but nothing is perfect!I am also having problems with missed time but people cant cheating time-server do that!Some people uses chess engines and they are cheaters but they make themself foolish!However there is no better chess site than CHESS.COM!

NobbyCapeTown

I don't care what people say. Time lag, aliens or whatever. I just had a game and opponent had 4:58 on the clock and I had 8 seconds. We both played at appr. equal speeds. Nobody can tell me this is normal. I beat him with 7 seconds to spare and commented "Sorry but your time trick did not work".

No comment from him, her or it.

Troll4ever22

Obviously this is a diabolical plot on Chess.com's part!

Manipulating time and even rating points to the detriment of it's users!

Such misdeeds cannot stand!

I've commented on this before: (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/livechess/bug12)

But worry not my friends, judgement day is fast approaching this tyrannical miscreant enterprise known as Chess.com.

Soon they shall pay!*

*The preceding statement may or may not be a paranoid rant. Meth is one hell of a drug.

Eseles

https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/articles/1444879-cheaters-cheating-what-you-need-to-know

pt22064

solution is to avoid bullet or blitz games, and play long time controls where lag will not have a significant effect.  My big complaint is folks who decide to go on vacation for 6 months, stalling a tournament and preventing me from entering other tournaments unless I concede the current match!

Doggy_Style
pt22064 wrote:

solution is to avoid bullet or blitz games, and play long time controls where lag will not have a significant effect.  My big complaint is folks who decide to go on vacation for 6 months, stalling a tournament and preventing me from entering other tournaments unless I concede the current match!

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