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What is the official stand of using databases containing engine games?
Engine vs engine, engine vs human, cyborg databases?

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only cyborg games allowed Laughing

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Oh no D:
I wonder if I can have a game annulled...

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Only human-human games are allowed. I don't know what "cyborg games" mean.

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philidor_position wrote:

Only human-human games are allowed. I don't know what "cyborg games" mean.


 lol...i have no idea either Laughing

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I like pudding.

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You can use databases even if they have computer games, just like you're allowed to use opening books that have GM/computer evaluations. Databases don't tell you what the best move is, like, perhaps, and endgame tablebase might; they only suggest what others think is the best move.

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Mm40 wrote:

You can use databases even if they have computer games,


No, they are not allowed.

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http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know

  • No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyse positions in ongoing games.  
  • In turn-based chess, you may consult books or databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for opening moves.  "Tablebases," which are specialized databases of particular endgame positions, may NOT be used.  
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Blackenne wrote:

http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know

 

No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyse positions in ongoing games.   In turn-based chess, you may consult books or databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for opening moves.  "Tablebases," which are specialized databases of particular endgame positions, may NOT be used.  

 this rule always confused me cause to me there seems to be no diffrence. books give evaluations of alot of positions like computers and your saying we can use tablebases which is exactlly what computers use and that we can use a database which is how/where compouters get there patterns from Undecided how is using all that not cheating. sorry if this sounds rude but it's like telling people not to use a engine but use a homemade one thats just as strong is ok.

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chessmaster102 wrote:
Blackenne wrote:

http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know

 

No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyse positions in ongoing games.   In turn-based chess, you may consult books or databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for opening moves.  "Tablebases," which are specialized databases of particular endgame positions, may NOT be used.  

 this rule always confused me cause to me there seems to be no diffrence. books give evaluations of alot of positions like computers and your saying we can use tablebases which is exactlly what computers use and that we can use a database which is how/where compouters get there patterns from  how is using all that not cheating. sorry if this sounds rude but it's like telling people not to use a engine but use a homemade one thats just as strong is ok.


Note the emphasis on the word 'not'. 

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Timotheous wrote:
chessmaster102 wrote:
Blackenne wrote:

http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/124/0/cheaters--cheating-what-you-need-to-know

 

No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyse positions in ongoing games.   In turn-based chess, you may consult books or databases (including the Chess.com Explorer) for opening moves.  "Tablebases," which are specialized databases of particular endgame positions, may NOT be used.  

 this rule always confused me cause to me there seems to be no diffrence. books give evaluations of alot of positions like computers and your saying we can use tablebases which is exactlly what computers use and that we can use a database which is how/where compouters get there patterns from  how is using all that not cheating. sorry if this sounds rude but it's like telling people not to use a engine but use a homemade one thats just as strong is ok.


Note the emphasis on the word 'not'. 


 Note the emphasis on EVERYTHING else

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I thought I had read previously that only way a database would be off limits is if it included evaluations along with the moves. I don't think I can find it again (I'll try) but I could have sworn it was something posted by a staff member even.

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i think its just easiest not to use them at all

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kind of ironic to find this in the game explorer: http://www.chess.com/games/view.html?id=4135308 Wink

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I think the rules say it good enough

You are allowed to use databases with engine games. The rules so you cant use an engine or program to analyse positions in a game. If the databases dont provide some kind of evaluation or something like that, I dont see how the rules dissallow it. 

Of course, this is only for turn-based. In live you cant use anything, except your brain if you are lucky enough to have one :P 

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There are always a few who just can't figure it out.