Claim Draws in Drawn Endgame

What about the unwritten rule about making the right call on the 27th batter in a perefect game?

28 up, 28 down.

that one must be really unwritten because it wasn't written with the unwritten ones from this link apparently.

I think his is correct. i was generally stating that unwritten rules are in sports and games and that they are generally to promote sportsmanship. Sportsmanship in a game is more important to me than winning. i feel that flagging people is not the conduct chess employs and it is unsportsmanlike to do so. this is why the whole unwritten rules situation arose. if you believe it isnt unsportsmanlike than i would disagree with you for the same reason i would tell an official if he made a bad call in my favor. just because you can "win" by time doesnt make it right. the point of chess is to checkmate the king. the point of the clock is to speed up the game. i think abusing a rule for a different purpose than it was intended just because its technically the letter of the law is always wrong. 

But if there are no consequences to playing the clock then why should I bother to speed my play in order to meet the objective of having a clock?

The point might have originally been to speed the game, but the result has been that the clock has become an integeral part of the game's strategy.

exactly. you can't have it both ways.

you can if people dont abuse it. if you cant manage the clock well then at the end you will have less time to make good moves and that it to be the downfall of poor clock management. i dont think winning on time is bad if your opponent is just that bad at clock management but in positions like this:

 Have not read replies, so I'm not sure if this response has already been given.

But there is a way to make sure you do not lose on time in a clearly drawn/won game.
The answer is to simply play with an time increment.
And inc as little as 1 second may solve this problem completely.
And because the inc is so small, the opening and middle phases of the game still move at just as fast of a pace.

Yes, it is still annoying to have to play on in a drawn R v R game.
But at least you will never have to be saddled with a loss because of it.

If you ever choose to play with 0 increment, then you are playing a game in which time is a major factor in the result.
Often times, it is more important than even the position on the board.
Recognize this before you begin playing a 0 inc game.

--CM

Time is one way of winning, but in R vs. R, it's not sportsmanlike. I mean, in that position when one person has low time, you or your opponent can lose because of a mouse fumble. People should accept draws when offered, but only if it's a truly drawn position.

Yeah, exactly like that game.  Wow, what an odd coincidence.

(Back on topic). Maybe someone should attempt to time-out his/her opponent when the opponment has one minute or less with no delay, or 20 seconds or less with delay, but if yyour opponent has three minutes while you have five, you shouldn't.

I think in R vs R (no pawns) there needs to be some way to claim a draw. You have both arrived at this position due to an equal skill level at that particular game, regardless of time. Im sure many players have been the victim of 'time chess' - which is what i like to call it, where one player will not accept a draw as he or she has 1 minute more than their opponent and will continue to play and will win on time. It is unsportsmanlike and possibly childish. It shows no respect for your opponent. Could you imagine Kasparov and Karpov doing this sort of idiocy 25 years ago OTB in a World Championship Match....no. Then we should follow the same standard.

Perhaps players should be able to claim a draw in rook vs rook games if there has been no capture etc..for 10 moves - the same as the 50 move rule but just for R vs R situations.

Dragging out a drawn position to win on time is never unsportsmanlike?  I beg to differ -- if your opponent's within seconds of timing out, OK, but if you're running down a significant amount of your opponent's clock it's unsportsmanlike.

There's a reason there's an arbitration rule for tournament play that addresses precisely this situation.