You need to press the Draw button to claim a draw.
Drawing due to lack of progress? (50-move rule/FIDE Article 10)
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FishEyedFools wrote:
You need to press the Draw button to claim a draw.
I thought the Draw button would turn into "Claim Draw" or something similar, and I didn't see that happen.
Apr 9, 2018
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#4
Yes you need to click draw game. It is the same with draws by repetition. I agree it should say Claim Draw for clarity though.
Apr 10, 2018
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#6
And, just like in OTB games, no one will tell the players if the conditions exist to claim a draw. It is the players' responsibility to know the rules, and to keep track of the situation by recording the moves.
6 Ways to Draw:
1) By mutual agreement
2) Stalemate
3) Insufficient material
4) Both players have zero time left
5) Three-fold repetition
6) 50-move rule
Apr 10, 2018
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TheJackalC4 wrote:
Yes you need to click draw game. It is the same with draws by repetition. I agree it should say Claim Draw for clarity though.
No it does not say Claim Draw for a reason! Chess.com follows closer in line, though not exact, to USCF, not FIDE. In USCF, nobody tells you that you are at 50 moves. You are given no reminder. You have to make the claim yourself! Same with 3-fold repetition. You must recognize on your own that it is 3-fold, not have some bot automatically tell you that it's 3-fold!
Apr 10, 2018
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Entheon wrote:
And, just like in OTB games, no one will tell the players if the conditions exist to claim a draw. It is the players' responsibility to know the rules, and to keep track of the situation by recording the moves.
6 Ways to Draw:
1) By mutual agreement
2) Stalemate
3) Insufficient material
4) Both players have zero time left
5) Three-fold repetition
6) 50-move rule
There is a 7th, which is a hybrid of numbers 3 and 4.
One side has no time left, flag is called, and the other side has insufficient mating material.
For example, let's say you have a White Bishop on a3, White Knight on b3, White King on c3, Black King on d1. White's clock falls. Black does not win if he claims time with time still left on his clock. It is a draw because one side is out of time and the other side has insufficient mating material (you can't mate with just a King).
Apr 10, 2018
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#9
ThrillerFan wrote:
Entheon wrote:
And, just like in OTB games, no one will tell the players if the conditions exist to claim a draw. It is the players' responsibility to know the rules, and to keep track of the situation by recording the moves.
6 Ways to Draw:
1) By mutual agreement
2) Stalemate
3) Insufficient material
4) Both players have zero time left
5) Three-fold repetition
6) 50-move rule
There is a 7th, which is a hybrid of numbers 3 and 4.
One side has no time left, flag is called, and the other side has insufficient mating material.
For example, let's say you have a White Bishop on a3, White Knight on b3, White King on c3, Black King on d1. White's clock falls. Black does not win if he claims time with time still left on his clock. It is a draw because one side is out of time and the other side has insufficient mating material (you can't mate with just a King).
You're correct -- I forgot to mention that one. Good eye. I think it's called "insufficient losing chances", and is not as common or well-known as the other draws.
Fair enough. I think I remember seeing the button change to "Claim" or something similar before, but my memory is foggy so I might be remembering wrong. Thank you all.
You're correct -- I forgot to mention that one. Good eye. I think it's called "insufficient losing chances", and is not as common or well-known as the other draws.
"Insufficient losing chances" is something different. There's still mating material, but the side that is better clearly cannot make progress. I think the threshold for ruling that is most often used is, "Could a class C player hold this position against a master?" For instance, the position below:
Black certainly has mating material, but it won't take more than a few moves to demonstrate that he can't make progress. I would hope it wouldn't take the full 50 moves of no pawn movement or piece capture.
There is an 8th way to draw in quick play finishes where you have less than 2 minutes on your clock and your opponent isn't making progress to force a win. Its complicated and best explained by reeading the FIDE rules, scroll to Article 10 page 13 below
https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/LawsOfChess.pdf
I just had a 10-minute Blitz chess game here where there was no progress (no pawn moves, no piece exchanges) for over 60 moves, and I lost on time.
Does Chess.com have anything I can do about this? Because drawing would give me 1 point (my opponent had a higher rating than me), my opponent refused to draw, so I could do nothing but run around until I ran out of time.
The 50-move rule comes to mind, as well as Article 10 of the FIDE laws of chess. Obviously, this isn't formal OTB chess with a real arbiter (though the Chess.com website acts as one), but shouldn't there be something to prevent this too?
(starts at 61. Rf5+)
(from https://www.chess.com/live/game/2733896524)