Ethical rating for live chess

@jadarite,

In that case, you're not as innocent as you claim, since you know that your actions are forcing your opponent to wait.

Your baseball analogy is a bad one.  A better analogy might be: "I just struck out, so I'll just act like a baby and delay the game for five minutes by throwing a temper tantrum."

Because, huh, you are the one not clicking "resign" ? 

You are a stupid moron troll.

Well, you know, I never created the meaning of words. I just typed something on my keyboard.

There is a huge button "resign" in the live chess interface. If you are not using it despite the fact that you know it exist, you are just a jerk.

Fixed that for you. No reason to thank me 

nice editing & fixing (though part of the meaning is lost)

even better...

1. The problem isn't that the resign button is hard to find or that people don't know they're leaving a game with the timer running, the problem is that the world has too many inconsiderate unsportsmanlike heathens with an internet connection. I'm sorry but if you play chess and you don't know enough to resign when you feel you've lost and don't want to play anymore, then you deserve the wrath of the mob.

2. And the whole idea of "rating" your opponent is flawed by the fact of my first statement. Too many bad apples. Sorry fellow honest warriors out there, we're stuck with the trolls and disconnectors.

@jadarite wrote:

"You don't understand baseball then.  Those tantrums don't delay the game.  They are recorded on camera and shown while commentators talk about what happened.  The game is not delayed."

Right.  The player that has a tantrum entertains everyone with his antics.

You don't even do that much.

"Chess.com set up a system to make players wait.  Why are the participants to blame and why should there be guilt associated..."

You don't understand baseball.

If you delay a game, by arguing balls and strikes let's say, you'd be ejected.  If you did it enough, you'd be suspended.

The problem is, there are no umpires, on chess.com.  They don't seem to eject anyone for bad behavior.

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@Jadarite

The point is, there are consequences for bad behavior in baseball.  That's all.

You don't seem to understand what happens when you disconnect from a game.  It's not that the game ends and your opponent has to wait before his next game.  It's that the game continues.  In the case of a 15|10 game, there's a five minute timeout.  The game doesn't end when you click "x," your opponent has to wait, sometimes for quite awhile.

That's why it's considered rude.

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Outlaw flaming (or delaying) on the annonymous internet?

Paint a scarlet letter on their profile?

Great Ideas?  Duh?

Debating what "gg" means, already has this thread beat by many miles.  

Jadarite,

Chess.com uses a disconnect timeout because they have players from all over the world, and internet connections can be flakey.

But especially because some people are playing games on their cellphones.

In order to accomodate those users who face timeouts and disconnects because of the networks they are on, chess.com has a timeout built into the application.

So if I'm on a cellphone playing a game and it's neck and neck, and either side could win, and then I get a dropped cell connection, on a 15|10 I get five minutes to reconnect.

At least that gives me a chance to still win the game.

(I don't personally play on my cellphone.  I'm just trying to explain why they do it this way.)

Do you blame passengers on a bus for uncomfortable seats?

I'd blame them if they delayed the bus.

Do you blame patrons at a restaurant for unclean glasses?

No!

Do you blame an audience for a bad performance?

I blame them for interfering with my enjoyment of a good performance.

Do you blame the company that made your computer when you get spammed or a virus?

I blame the spammer.

In this case, you are sort of, by analogy, the spammer.  You are taking advantage of the architecture of the website, and annoying others.

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The problem with reputation tallys is that people that lose a game will just vote down the opponent's reputation out of spite.  You would need other measures in place to make that less attractive...only one downvote per week, or having to have given out more upvotes than downvotes in order to downvote, or even having to have a positive upvote tally from others first in order to downvote someone else, etc.

If I understand well jadarite's argument, chess.com left a possibility for abuse, and it would be a rich man's caprice to complain that some people like him use it.

I cannot wait the moment I will find his wallet on the table next to me with none watching. After stealing him, I will blame him for the loss of his money.

The 5 minute timeout is for players with bad connections.

There's a chance they'll reconnect -- I'm waiting for something that could actually happen.

Whereas, if a player disconnects by clicking "x," I'm waiting for something that's never gonna happen.

That's a big difference.

@jadarite: "If you are seeking a culprit, blame chess.com because they created this possibility."

Chess.com tries to balance the needs of users with bad connections, with people annoyed by disconnects.  The possibility for mild abuse exists in that circumstance.

The balancing act places chess.com in a bind.  They can't distinguish deliberate disconnects from "faulty connections."

@jadarite: "I don't know what the word is to describe you people.  You think in your own little box.  As long as you are not inconvenienced everything is ok.  But if you have to wait 5 minutes you are going to stop the world and make other people suffer."

Hmm.  So, it's okay for you to inconvenience people with five minute timeouts, and they are lame for even minding.

But here's you, screaming bloody murder when someone had a five minute timeout per game hold placed on their account for having too many disconnects:

@jadarite: "This illustrates how defunct a system is that says you are guilty till proven innocent.  You have to show us your innocence before we remove the shackles of tyranny following you each game."

"Shackles of tyrrany."   That's how you describe the five minute between games suspension for having too many disconnects.

That sounds like someone who really doesn't like to wait five minutes.

"Shackles of tyrrany."  That's how you described it, when you sympathized with the person being inconvenienced.

"One thing this 5 minute thing has done has parsed out the well to do babies who should have worked for their assets and those which can see who is creating the problems."

Wow.  I wouldn't have believed that you're as broke as you claim, if that last sentence wasn't so illiterate.

"The worst is when you get a sore loser who disconnects for 4 minutes and 30 seconds, then reconnects to make a move to try catch you sleeping."

I disagree with this point. I have had numerous times where the current computer I am playing on freezes, shuts down, or restarts only to have me rush to the nearest computer, login and re-connect after a number of minutes. 

I like the idea!

And would like to add that it might not be easy to do.  Because the same person you are reporting for not moving instead of resigning, will probably be so upset you crushed his sorry behind that he will also report you!!! 

@jadarite Stop justifying unsportman-like behavior with unrelevant analogies. Here is a simple flowchart for you:

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See an interesting thread ---No---> GTFO

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Do you have a solution? --No-->GTFO

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Yes 

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Provide a reasonable solution 

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GTFO

i agree you should give maximum 3 minutes for 15/10 games .5 minutes is taxing

Uhm, why is 5 minutes such a huge deal? We have 24 hours in a day... Unless you guys are playing like 30+ games a day? Then it makes sense to care.

Sorry, I don't play live chess anymore, but if you want a really really simple solution to this thing that YOU as a recipient can choose... Join a live tournament. Usually people who play in those are serious players who won't time out and want to actually get good at it. And even though those tournaments aren't running all the time, that's still a good 5+ games that you know will be uninhibited chess. And after that, you can play other live games and then find another tournament, etc.

The solution is all up to you if you want it. You don't have to make this site a popularity contest, just lower the amount of games you play in a day and spend that time maybe on tactics trainer or against the computer to see how you're doing OR play tournaments and mix in normal live games as well.