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And before you accuse me of not reading any thing you write, know that we're both repeating the same points. If you repeat the same reasoning, then don't expect a different response.

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Pure sophistry.   I'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who has no intention of discussing in good faith.

Clearly by "300 game", I mean "playing very badly" and by "2000 game" I mean "playing very well".  Within the 2, there are also levels of nuance that anyone who has seen both ~300 elo players and ~2000 elo players would note.  For example  - a 2000 elo player plays methodical (in terms of attacking and development), improving and restricting moves, a 300 elo player plays one-move attacks, over extends and doesn't pay attention to half the board.  A 2000 elo player looks to avoid things like isolated pawns, a 300 elo player does not.  If you don't understand this, then you've no business taking part in the discussion.  If you are interested in understanding, Levy had a good example very recently with 2 300 elo players.  No one can sit there with a straight face and tell me those players are capable of playing at a level thousands of ratings points above their level.

Equally clearly, what I am saying is very, very different to someone who says that a player simply played at different levels during the game.  Your statement is an incredibly simplistic summary that can't possibly be taken in any way as a good faith assessment of my position.  Very, very clearly I am talking about massive differences in standards of play from the same player.  And not just one player.  Many, many, many players exhibit the same characteristic of playing very badly, suddenly playing very, very well (and in a completely different style) for extended periods and then blundering pieces and exchanges all over the place once they are in a position that a player who wasn't very good might think was 'well ahead'.

Finally, I'm accusing you of not reading what I wrote because not only are you repeating the same point, it's the same straw-man response that I've pointed out to you is a strawman several times.   Either you haven't read what I wrote, or you're deliberately misrepresenting my position.

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I'll also raise again the very serious issue of real-time engines.  There are several apps and programs that are easily obtainable from apple or android app stores, or just down-loaded for the desktop that perform real-time assessments on the position and provide a suggested move.  What you're telling me is that these apps, which are not trivial to write or maintain, aren't used at all and the proliferation of them is the result of app programmers throwing money and time away.  Because that's the only possible conclusion from your position that cheating just doesn't take place much.

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That's not his position though that's strawman his position is that you cant tell when they are or not.  I'm sure many people cheat in various ways for various reasons but I'm also sure there are plenty that you thought did that didn't and visa versa.  My bullet rating is half my rapid rating yet sometimes even with only 1 minute on the clock I get 90% accurate games. I have also starred at a position in rapid for 5+minutes then hung a piece and realized it half a second after moving.  You cannot from a single game figure out anything . What if I'm playing at work and boss comes by  or my kids start screaming at each other at home my accuracy is about to tank.  While I'm sure your right about your assumptions plenty of times you cant be sure and as far as being able to tell how many are cheating and that the frequency is in some way increasing from your own anecdotal experience is simply not logical or based in any kind of fact.  Anyone who cheats consistently will eventually be nuked by the algo.  I almost never feel like my opponents have cheated granted I am in NA server zone so I  don't know what your region is like.  even in daily games where people have 24 hours to use an engine in analysis almost all games are off the beaten path before move 8 with plenty of blundered pieces.  

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Try dropping to 850 and climbing out of that hole.  You'll see opponents hitting 85% accuracy every other game.  Its ridiculous.

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NervesofButter wrote:

This whole accuracy thing is one of the worst ways to gauge someones ability.  There is nothing unusual about someone rated 800 having a high accuracy percentage.  This is due to the number of blunders made.  When someone hangs material and the opponent takes it of course the accuracy will be high.

Could be, but accuracy is scored on every move not just hanging material.  85% accuracy in a 40+ move game for an 850 level player is pretty crazy.  But I see it quite a bit lately.  It didnt used to be like that.  

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Bkz most people are cheating now    making perfect instantaneous moves always around the end 

and no they cant and dont look into it and or do anything about it

 

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Getting more than sick of smarmy apologists who don’t read the thread.

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playonlinesecretly1 wrote:

It simply means they are getting better and you are not. Train harder.

you are basically saying "git gud chump" lol

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playonlinesecretly1 wrote:

Yes get good. Stop whining and accusing people of cheating.

Check back when you've played 10000 games instead of 100

 

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I’ve been feeling the same thing. Been playing bullet at 1450 to 1550 regularly for a year. Then in past few days I’m down to 1320. Been fighting hard against people rated in 1200s whose accuracy shows 90% and they have tons of time left. I’ve not had a single easy game in hundreds these last few days. And even when my accuracy is way higher than normal, I’m losing.
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adg4071 wrote:
playonlinesecretly1 wrote:

Yes get good. Stop whining and accusing people of cheating.

Check back when you've played 10000 games instead of 100

 

You havemt even played 10000 games yourself so what’s your point?

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a5page wrote:
adg4071 wrote:
playonlinesecretly1 wrote:

Yes get good. Stop whining and accusing people of cheating.

Check back when you've played 10000 games instead of 100

You havemt even played 10000 games yourself so what’s your point?

I have not play 10k games but am in the thousands. I will never be good but I do see shifts over the years where all players seem better. I went from 800 to 600 when I started. Built back up to 800 over a year then as I typically have accuracy in the 65 to 85 range I fluctuate. Belut 800 sounds right. I have dropped in a few weeks all the way into the 500s and most of my losses opponents are playing 80 + accuracy. Seems either engine is calculating accuracy wrong or everyone has gotten better. Well everyone but me. Which I do not expect to but would like to play opponents who make some of the same mistakes I do. They do not seem to exist anymore. Lose with no blunders and lose with single blunder. The worst is when doing great and the opponent does have a blunder or 2 then they play perfect moves for next 15 moves until I mess up once and they take it home

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Yes, everybody got better overnight. They're amazing.

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Why did I play so good in a game yesterday

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Edent2001 wrote:

Try dropping to 850 and climbing out of that hole. You'll see opponents hitting 85% accuracy every other game. Its ridiculous.

I think there are so many people playing now that perhaps it's better at the bottom than it used to be. I've been playing badly lately, wallowing around in the 700s and blundering away multiple games where I've had winning positions. But I've always thought of 700 as basically a beginner rating, and some of the opponents I've played lately are hitting me with discovered checks, fairly sophisticated combinations, sharp end game moves, etc. They sure don't seem like 700-level players. I did see one guy who was in the 700s when I played him had a 1200 rating less than two weeks later. Interesting. As for accuracy ratings, I was over 89 percent my last game and had a 100 percent rating for the middle game after having a terrible accuracy rating the previous game. Some days you just don't have it. In that last game, my opponent resigned down only 1 point in material — guess he didn't like the position. The game before another guy was offering me a draw after three moves. He kept doing it and I finally agreed. Guess he didn't want to play that opening. I'm really not a big fan of online chess, but OTB opportunities are limited,, so it's really necessary to test openings, etc.

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"Bkz most people are cheating now making perfect instantaneous moves always around the end"

Could just be bots playing new accounts... Various possible reasons.

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