gg is arrogance

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Bodhiwan
waffllemaster wrote:
In my experience with online chess, opponents who want to be arrogant and rude do so in a very straightforward manner... e.g. "YOU SUX QUIT CHESS LOOSER IDDIOT"

Excactly. What would even be the point of intending to be rude using something that most people would consider to be courtesy? A smug smile thinking that they thought he meant it but actually he didn't and nobody will ever know? If these are the true villains of online chess one need not worry, as they will soon be singing "they're coming to take me away, ha ha, to the funny farm" :)

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Robman6
Bodhiwan wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
In my experience with online chess, opponents who want to be arrogant and rude do so in a very straightforward manner... e.g. "YOU SUX QUIT CHESS LOOSER IDDIOT"

Excactly. What would even be the point of intending to be rude using something that most people would consider to be courtesy? A smug smile thinking that they thought he meant it but actually he didn't and nobody will ever know? If these are the true villains of online chess one need not worry, as they will soon be singing "they're coming to take me away, ha ha, to the funny farm" :)

Abusers are verbal, especially in anonymous contexts.


 Hurrah-you make sense

bigpoison
ilikeflags wrote:
a formality? a gesture? i can't be bothered with words for the sake of words. either mean it and say it, or don't say it.

 I never chat "in game".  I find it rather rude.

Robman6

2 peas in an acidic pond

bigpoison

I still hate the Yankees.

blake78613
Bodhiwan wrote:

The irony is that in order to remedy all the possible misinterpretations that so far have been brought forward in this thread, one would have to write the equivalence of a short story representing "good game, cheers" in the chat. This is why "gg" is the quintessence of all possible good solutions to expressing courtesy and gratitude for a good game, and as such have prevailed year after year in the gaming world. It's the very handshake of online gaming itself. All hail the gg


This is not a gaming site it is a chess site.  Chess developed its own etiquette over the centuries, and in chess it is considered bad form for the winner to say good game.  You come to this site a "newbie" (your words) and say I don't care what your customs are this is what I do.   Can you imagine the reception I would get, if I went to a gaming site and announced," although new to gaming, I don't care about your established etiquette, this is what I am going to do; because this is what chess players do".

 

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

fbhjr

@blake78613: this is preposterous.  First, chess is a game, ergo, this is a gaming site.  Secondly, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.  If someone extends you a courtesy, whether they be winner or loser, accept it, this is a far longer human tradition than any supposed one you claim for chess.    

Matthew11

Why do fourms live forever long after their purpose is done?

fbhjr

Because everyone has something to say.  The chattiness never dies.

ilikeflags
Matthew11 wrote:

Why do fourms live forever long after their purpose is done?


the answer is in the question.

fbhjr

see, that response is art work 

Matthew11

Why don't we just hang out and blabber forever?

Already done.

Ziryab
Thanks for the game.
stubborn_d0nkey

I use good game when I think it was a good/interesting game, regardless if I win or lose (and that is if I feel like typing).


I only "misuse" gg in certain situations where I feel it's appropriate, like if my opponents starts running the clock in a completely lost situation. Sometimes it brings them to their senses and they resign, but of course, usually they just let it run out.

 

edit: I'll also say good game when I win if for some reason I played against a significantly lower rated opponent that put up a good fight, to acknowledge that they played well for their rating.

Ziryab

gg after a bad game is not arrogance, but rather its opposite: it is a demonstration of gutter standards. (I realize that in American politics arrogant assertion of astounding ignorance is considered a virtue in certain circles)

fbhjr

It shocks me that a thread like this goes on forever because so many seem incapable of accepting a fundamental point of human courtesy.  There is no ulterior motive when I say "good game."  The motive is: I am not playing a computer, I am playing a fellow human being who I only know over the online game; I enjoy the game, whether I win or lose, I say "good game" by way of gratitude.  The inverse of arrogance?  Are you just being rhetorical?  There is nothing as simple as a basic handshake.  Take it or leave it.  Stop sh*tting your pants about it.  

blake78613
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

Saying "gg" when you win is impolite. It is a phrase meant to compliment the opponent, not show off one's victory.


If you don't want to take my word for it, at least give some weight to the WGM.  She has been well schooled and very careful about what she says.  I can assure you that she didn't make it up off the top of head.

From the size of this thread it is obvious that the winner firing off a "gg", is offensive to a large portion of chess players.  Why go out of your way to offend them?

fbhjr

With due respect to the WGM, I think she is wrong, and just illustrates her own hubris.  You compliment the opponent whether you win or die.  Go back to the Homeric epos if you don't believe me.  This is ridiculous, and I don't take someone's grandmaster status as authority.  Anyone is allowed to say good game whether they win or lose.  The winner should be touched that their opponent is not spitting bile.  Where is this "rule" vcoming from?  For God's sake it is just a statement of fair play.  

blake78613
Ziryab wrote:
Thanks for the game.

Indeed, that has been considered the polite remark; and was one the first things I learned when I started playing CC chess in 1963.

ilikeflags
fbhjr wrote:

 For God's sake it is just a statement of fair play.  


and/or an arrogant unnecessary waste of time.