Opponents refusing to resign

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propapanda wrote:

I've seen even more losers who only have a bare king and stalls for over a minute then moving when the winning side has only 30 seconds left. But still, we didn't complain.

But you... you are a disappointment.


That is different. I won many of my games, with material down, where I just + opponents king, and lose a piece. After every + he took 2 sec to realize what is going on, and 2 more to capture my piece or move king. And I won those game on time. But that is not the same.

Avatar of Tigranlinflexible

Well, let me say what I understand...

Most people here are defending someone who is ready to lose his time and his opponent's aiming only "not to lose rating".

Firstly, the assumption that giordanobruno was "provoked" by the poster's attitude to let the clock run is incredibly gullible. It seems as it never happens you to have a crushing superiority (like K + R +pawns vs K) and that the opponent fight until he sees the mate in one, and then let the clock run / disconnects ?

The "all-queens" promotion might have been childish, that's true, but that's only after the opponent told the poster " i think you're an idiot and you cannot win with 4 pawns vs bare king on the other side of the board".

I admit that i would myself have felt insulted ; i usually promote to a rook when the opponent seems to think that K+p vs K is drawing even when the pawn go to promotion (unless lacking time).

Who could stay calm after a game where you proved you are no idiot and when the opponent still wants to lose it "by the rules" ? See professional player's games, they sometimes resign even because of one pawn lost without compensation.

Resigning is only proving you're wise enough to know you have lost and respectful enough to think your opponent can prove it.

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FirebrandX wrote:
vowles_23 wrote:

You are the one that started wasting his time by promoting all you pawns to Queens, when you could have easily finished the game without promoting.

 


Okay now you're being sub-moronic. Explain how it is you "waste someone's time" when they only have a king left and know they will be checkmated? Aren't they in fact wasting their own time?

You guys are playing devil's advocate to someone that was intentionally protesting a loss.


 With only a King left, there is always chance of a stalemate. However, instead of quickly checkmating, the player has decided to promote to an unnecessary 3 Queens or whatever he had = TIME WASTING.

But yeah whatever, they are both time wasting, but the fact is that there are no rules against promoting all your pawns or playing out a game until you are checkmated. But I think that the pawn-promoter here was really taking it too far.

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you sound familiar propapanda

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propapanda wrote: Because there is no premove here unlike Chesscube, every move must take at least a second.

"How do I enable the premove option?

You can enable the premove option by going to the Live Chess settings page athttp://www.chess.com/home/livechess_settings.html and then check the box for "Premoves" and then click the "save preferences" button to update your Live Chess settings."

 

Source

 

Premoves: Don't play blitz without it.

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propapanda wrote:
vowles_23 wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:
vowles_23 wrote:

You are the one that started wasting his time by promoting all you pawns to Queens, when you could have easily finished the game without promoting.

 


Okay now you're being sub-moronic. Explain how it is you "waste someone's time" when they only have a king left and know they will be checkmated? Aren't they in fact wasting their own time?

You guys are playing devil's advocate to someone that was intentionally protesting a loss.


 With only a King left, there is always chance of a stalemate. However, instead of quickly checkmating, the player has decided to promote to an unnecessary 3 Queens or whatever he had = TIME WASTING.

But yeah whatever, they are both time wasting, but the fact is that there are no rules against promoting all your pawns or playing out a game until you are checkmated. But I think that the pawn-promoter here was really taking it too far.


Stalemate. Exactly. Stalemate is common in low rated players. Don't be aggravated, but your behaviour does not look like you are a high rated player to me. In fact, I hope you never get higher rated.


 You hope that I never get highly rated?

...or the player?

Also, why are you wishing misfortune on someone?

Avatar of Gert-Jan

He has the right to resign and he has the right to continue playing. you should have checkmated him asap and forget about it. Promoting all your pawns first is not a sign of good sportmanship.

Avatar of pdela

Opponents resign to resign... where?!? :o)

Avatar of CPiGuy55

When I am losing a game badly, I never resign with a bare king because I am a lower rated player, and I play lower rated players, so I hope for stalemate. I, however, do not take five minutes for every move because I want to play chess, not annoy people.

Avatar of jcarson

I hate to be cold about this but the endgame is a part of chess also.  Before I resign I want to know that my opponents can actually execute a mate.  I may give the benefit of the doubt to highly rated player, but all I saw in the live game was a tactically superior player who felt a need to promote 4 pawns to execute a mate.  Even if the OP was an ass, I saw no compelling reason to resign.

Avatar of MyCowsCanFly

I haven't done it but I wonder if another approach is to ask your opponent how they feel about your planned resignation?

It is hard to tell in advance whether playing on would be perceived as an insult based on an expectation they will blunder or if they would like to see the final outcome of their strategy.

Avatar of stevej16

Mate him when you can. Don't "showboat". You're at fault not your opponent.

Avatar of Travisjw

Hell I wouldn't have resigned either.  There's even odds that a player of black's rating has no clue how to finish that position.   The fact that he played Rf1 and neglected the obvious mate in 5 would do nothing but reinforce my opinion that there were legitimate drawing chances.   IMO the first bit of unreasonable rudeness came from black going for his third queen.  


Don't get me wrong, white letting the clock run down and then late-moving was absolutely classless.   I simply feel black's actions were far worse and that he has aboslutely no right to complain about his opponent being "disrespectful" here.

Avatar of DrExtreme

As a live player who plays 50+ minute games, I sympathize with the OP. Since when is walking away for half an hour, unannounced and unexpected, acceptable? Even without the return with less than a minute left to make a move and hope the OP's clock runs out, it's acting in bad faith. Those thirty minutes are thirty minutes you could be playing more games in. If a player makes the clock run down, they're forcing their opponent to wait for the entire duration in order to get the victory they earned. If you want to move on to another game, one against someone who won't insult you... too bad! You'll have to lose points.

 

And for the record, I resign when I have a distinct material disadvantage and no chance for pawn promotion. I'm not yet skilled enough to see purely positional advantages in most cases.

Avatar of jcarson

Travisjw.

I can't even call letting the clock run down classless.  Are you able to peek into white's  soul and tell me his intentions.  While I don't believe my next statement for a second, how do we know white wasn't thinking about his next move or even taking a bathroom break, both of which would be legitimate uses of his time.

If white gained a psychological advantage by running down the clock, it was black that let it happen.

Avatar of MarvsC

There's still hope for those who let their clock run down, than those who 'DISCO at will'.

Avatar of Travisjw

There's no way in hell he was thinking that long about a move.   He had one friggin piece.  The position didn't warrant more than 30 seconds of thinking, and based on his earlier play it's safe to conclude this isn't a guy who thinks his moves through excessively.  

Same problem with the psychological ploy theory.   In a position this terrible he's got nothing to gain by doing that (admittedly he has nothing to lose either... but seriously?).    I've burned quite a bit of clock before due to off the board reasons (I once burned over an hour just to put myself into time pressure so I could "blunder" a rook away convincingly and swindle a win out of a queen-down position).   But you don't do that in a position like this.

I can maybe see the bathroom break... But I still think it's pretty sketch to make someone wait that long without announcing first that you're gonna be away for a while.

Avatar of jcarson

Given this situation, white gets my vote for jackass of the month also.  The point is that its his time, he can use it as he sees fit.  And thank you for finally admitting the unspoken truth in this thread -- I too have stolen some wins by burning down some time to see if my opponents head is really in the game.  Its a tactic that sometimes works. 

Avatar of artfizz
Travisjw wrote: ...   I've burned quite a bit of clock before due to off the board reasons (I once burned over an hour just to put myself into time pressure so I could "blunder" a rook away convincingly and swindle a win out of a queen-down position).   But you don't do that in a position like this. ...

A cheap shot.

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propapanda wrote:

I believe that the OP was the cause of all this trouble. Your opponent has the right not to resign. You are only a 1200 and I've seen many 1200s stalemate with a rook, a knight and 4 pawns. So I don't think you are excluded from the list.

I don't know why are you even making such a fuss about this. Please be more mature. Thanks.


Actually I was ranked a 1333 at the time, and never have I stalemated with a rook & king v. a king.