It doesn't matter if it's serious. What matters is that it's offensive. It has no place on this website.
Reporting extremely inappropriate chat when there are no mods online
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ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Kupov wrote:
Ozzie, I did not really link that article as a serious rebuttal.
Then why don't you try adding to the conversation, instead of subracting.
I am adding to the conversation. In my opinion sight policy is flawed and hypersensitivity to non politically correct jokes or 'hate speech' is ridiculous.
Linking the first amendment article was simply a joking way to express that.
CRShelton wrote:
Kupov,
I don't see how the First Amendment applies here. Maybe because you live in Canada you were never taught the full extent of that law, but it does not mean that you can say whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want. This isn't a matter of interpretation, it's basic law. Anybody who has ever been a student in the USA is aware of the limitations of the First Amendment.
The very article you linked does an excellent job of giving a history of how free speech has been limited to protect the citizens of our country.
In any case, you give up the right to say whatever you please when you agree to the Terms of Service on the site. I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the USA such contracts are legally binding.
What I heard today was not a joke. I can ignore a racist joke. This was hate speech in it's worst form.
Actually it does mean you can't be arrested for 'hate speech', as you suggested.
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's serious. What matters is that it's offensive. It has no place on this website.
The problem with something being offensive, is that what is offensive or what is not is entirely subjective to the individual.
Suppose I find batman terribly offensive, should you have to change your user name?
Mar 26, 2009
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Be more direct.
The issue here isn't the site policy. It is how to enforce the site policy when mods aren't around.
For what it's worth, I disagree with you if you think that this particular speech is no big deal. Blaming the counterparty for taking it the wrong way is ridiculous.
Mar 26, 2009
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Kupov wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's serious. What matters is that it's offensive. It has no place on this website.
The problem with something being offensive, is that what is offensive or what is not is entirely subjective to the individual.
Suppose I find batman terribly offensive, should you have to change your user name?
Again with the subtracting value.
I also find batman offensive, i'm opposed to vigilantism.
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Be more direct.
The issue here isn't the site policy. It is how to enforce the site policy when mods aren't around.
For what it's worth, I disagree with you if you think that this particular speech is no big deal. Blaming the counterparty for taking it the wrong way is ridiculous.
If this were a case of real hate speech in a respected public forum I would tend to agree.
This is a chat room on the Internet, and people are clearly not being serious.
did someone say a bad word? oh well, get over it. what do u do in the real world when someone uses profanity in public? do you go tell mommy? words can't hurt you babies, grow up.
Kupov, I agree with you that we can't afford to be hypersensitive to things like this, but there is a point where the line between 'hypersensitive' and 'natural human sensitivity' is crossed, and when it is there should be some way that we can deal with it.
That was what I was trying to address in my original post. Whether these particular things crossed that line may be open to interpretation, but there must be something that would offend even you, and in that situation wouldn't you want some recourse?
Mar 26, 2009
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The issue isn't whether it hurts me, or hurts you, or your opinion on whatever. I just don't care.
The issue is how the site should handle comments which would be deleted by mods, when the mods are not around.
I would think it's something they're working on.
Ozzie, there is already a bot which catches and automatically deletes posts in live chat which contain words which are blatantly and inarguably bad.
Unless you were talking about the forums, in which case I don't know whether they have a bot or not, but I'm fairly sure this topic was created with live chess chat in mind.
Clearly those particular comments violate the ToS restricting free speech at this site and therefore should be removed by mods. The options are to either a) make lots more mods, b) turn off public chat when no mods are present, or c) for other users to be grown up about things, and ignore trolling during periods when no mods are around.
I vote for c.
Kupov wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's serious. What matters is that it's offensive. It has no place on this website.
The problem with something being offensive, is that what is offensive or what is not is entirely subjective to the individual.
Suppose I find batman terribly offensive, should you have to change your user name?
The difference is that when you signed up to be a member at the site, you didn't make any agreements regarding the discussion of Batman.
CRShelton wrote:
Kupov, I agree with you that we can't afford to be hypersensitive to things like this, but there is a point where the line between 'hypersensitive' and 'natural human sensitivity' is crossed, and when it is there should be some way that we can deal with it.
That was what I was trying to address in my original post. Whether these particular things crossed that line may be open to interpretation, but there must be something that would offend even you, and in that situation wouldn't you want some recourse?
No, I would not demand recourse for being personally offended. Doing so strikes me as being very childish.
CRShelton wrote:
Kupov wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's serious. What matters is that it's offensive. It has no place on this website.
The problem with something being offensive, is that what is offensive or what is not is entirely subjective to the individual.
Suppose I find batman terribly offensive, should you have to change your user name?
The difference is that when you signed up to be a member at the site, you didn't make any agreements regarding the discussion of Batman.
Oh, I know that the rules forbid those kind of comments, and I know that mods will remove them, which is fair enough.
My point is, stop taking it seriously because these are not serious comments.
Alright Kupov, if you want to hear it. Tell me which one of those headings this falls under:
I hope all blacks and gays get AIDS and die a slow painful death
If I saw a man in a turban in my town, I would punch him in the face, douse him in gasoline, and light him on fire
I wish Hitler won the war
those were the comments I heard that promted this thread. Where is the satire?
It's not satire, and it's clearly not very funny, but I refuse to believe that it was anywhere close to being serious.