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Can you get the big sac in this posible position?

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Banderasdehoja

solve:

white play and draw

only a GM like Hikaru can see the draw in 1

drdos7

It looks like White is lost in this position.

Arisktotle

The position is illegal. Hikaru must have looked cross-eyed to see that one wink

Banderasdehoja
Arisktotle escribió:

The position is illegal. Hikaru must have looked cross-eyed to see that one

??? 😕

Banderasdehoja
Banderasdehoja escribió:
Arisktotle escribió:

The position is illegal. Hikaru must have looked cross-eyed to see that one

??? 😕

Oh sorry sorry, i dindt see that

the real is this:

white play and draw

Banderasdehoja
Moodyunicorntwin02468

idk

Moodyunicorntwin02468

geez this is hard

Moodyunicorntwin02468
Arisktotle wrote:

The position is illegal. Hikaru must have looked cross-eyed to see that one

I agree

drdos7
Banderasdehoja wrote:
Banderasdehoja escribió:
Arisktotle escribió:

The position is illegal. Hikaru must have looked cross-eyed to see that one

??? 😕

Oh sorry sorry, i dindt see that

the real is this:

white play and draw

What he meant by "illegal" is that the position could not have been reached in a normal game of chess, the reason is the Bishop on the b1 square, how did it get there if the pawns on the a2 and c2 squares are on their original starting squares and have never moved?

I personally don't care about whether a position is legal or not as long as it is playable, if I did worry about that then I would have to throw out half of Otto Blathy's compositions.

Now on to your second diagram, it still looks like Black wins rather easily, there is no drawing resource for White. No matter what White does he gets mated in no more than 16 moves with correct play by Black.

magipi

That bizarre b1 bishop should probably be somewhere else.I have no idea where to put it to have a solution in either position.

Arisktotle
drdos7 wrote:

What he meant by "illegal" is that the position could not have been reached in a normal game of chess, the reason is the Bishop on the b1 square, how did it get there if the pawns on the a2 and c2 squares are on their original starting squares and have never moved?

I personally don't care about whether a position is legal or not as long as it is playable, if I did worry about that then I would have to throw out half of Otto Blathy's compositions.

Yes, indeed, and those have been thrown out long ago! They are now in the joke section which is free format for your imagination. Though it is not quite half of his compositions, only half of those which already look quirky. Blathy was aware of the issue and tried to walk the thin blue line whenever he could. A good example is his famous knight mate after an excelsior and an underpromotion which he skilfully kept legal.

Btw, there is no definition for playable in chess though there are various uses of that word where it may be derived from natural language. In a mathematical context, an illegal position is not part of the semantic space of chess as it cannot be derived from its axioms. That's why chess is mathematically incomplete. Not a big problem unless you start pretending that you can play chess forward from any position. You can't because the state of a chess game is not defined by the board position alone. you need critical information from the game history as well. And you can only reconstruct that by using the chess axioms from move 1. Did you know that probably all positions you ever published or posted anywhere could be drawn chess positions?

Andrewtopia

From context clues, I assume the intended solution is 1. Qg8 Rxg8?? stalemate, but as has already been pointed out, it doesn't work because it's not forced. Black doesn't take the queen immediately, he plays 1. ... Qb7+ 2. Kh2 Rxg8 and then Qh7#. White's effectively down a rook without any forcing tactical resources; he must lose.

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imagine if the black has (1) ELO

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magipi

You realize that in a chess puzzle black doesn't have to help white, right? (Although there is a type of puzzle like that, but it should be told to the solvers, obviously).

So White plays 1. Qg3, then black plays almost anything (most likely 1. - Qh7+ 2. Kg1 Rg8) and black wins.

Sharp2Axe
I don’t think this is drawable.