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# Daily Puzzle 9/15/13-Win a WHOLE rook

• #21

Forced mate in 11, who'd have guessed. 2...Qe1+! Of course! Bah. Thanks for spoilering! [/sarcasm]

In all honesty, this is a fun position to look at. The mating attack is quite engrossing, but easy to miss as a human. The puzzle is cooked, but quite frankly OTB I'd take the win via 1...Qxg2+ if I didn't see that hard-to-spot 3...Bd6.

• #22
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?

No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

• #23
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?

No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

• #24
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?

No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

And black does not get more than a whole rook

• #25
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?

No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

And black does not get more than a whole rook

Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

• #26

To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

• #27
Remellion wrote:

To be very nitpicky, actually 4...Qxh4+ 5. Kg1 Qe1+ 6. Kh2 and then 6...Qg3+ and 7...Bxe5 picks up an extra pawn. And the attack continues with Q+R+B v poor K+Q.

But it's not as bad for black as 1random's line in post #23

• #28
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:
BigDoggProblem wrote:
GSHAPIROY wrote:

But can you find a good line against 4...Rf8?

No, but white can play 2.Rg5

2.Rg5? Qe1+ 3.Kh2 BxQ+ is ballgame.

Okay, then how about 4. g3?

And black does not get more than a whole rook

Wrong - white's K is still in grave danger.

That line seems no better for black then winning a rook and losing a piece, he wins the exchange rather than a whole rook.

• #29

To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

• #30

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR.

I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

• #31
GSHAPIROY wrote:

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR.

I was imitating BigDoggProblem's line

Well, you didn't get the moves right.

• #32
Remellion wrote:

To be very clear, 1random/Houdini's line is the absolute best.

And you're reading something wrong. I said 6...Qe1+ 7. Kh2 Qg3+ then BxR, not 6...BxR. Like so.

Well then this:

• #33

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

• #34
caveatcanis wrote:

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.

Second, why did you title it 1/2 - 1/2?

• #35

@GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.

You're right - that's even better for Black.

• #36
caveatcanis wrote:

@GSHAPIROY First of all, why not 10. ... Qxf3 in your line? The g-pawn is still pinned so cannot recapture the queen.

You're right - that's even better for Black.

Yes it certainly is

• #37
caveatcanis wrote:

@GSHAPIROY This is getting silly. White is completely busted at the end of your line.

10. Kf1

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