Famous Puzzles #1

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knightrider2526
Hi Nytik, Hope this one will be the solution Queen H5-H6, King f4-e4, Rookf1-e1 - mate Thanks a good pluzzle Knightrider
Nytik

Sorry mate, that isnt the solution. You can find the solution earlier on in the thread.

grandmaster56

I see Nxe8, but I don't know.

aris2310

nxe8 rxe8, qf5

if not rxe8 then e3

Nytik

Aris and Grandmaster- How about 1. Nxe8 Bg5.

Then there isn't a mate in 2.

Nytik
scarjo wrote:

This is a chess problem by T. Taverner (Dubuque Chess Journal, 1889). It's brilliant, but you should always mention the name of the composer.


Thanks mate, although I mentioned it was a famous puzzle (in the thread title, no less) I was not aware of the composers name. I am editing the first post as we speak.

jalali

Rh1 then Qh2 chek mate?

Nytik

Rh1 is correct, Qh2 depends on blacks move (see previous posts).

hatman621

rh4 is the solution

Nytik

Sorry guys, no it isn't, dnleary's solution is incorrect as Bh2 isn't mate. Ke3 or Bg3 are both possible blocks.

Jenovacell

How about Kf2, then Qg4? I don't see a way black could get out of it. Then again I'm probably not seeing something

Nytik
Jenovacell wrote:

How about Kf2, then Qg4? I don't see a way black could get out of it. Then again I'm probably not seeing something


1. Kf2 Bg5. (If Qg4+ Ke5.)

scorpion_ve

Well, whether it is zugzwang or not it's debatable. The (not obvious solution) is Rh1!! The idea is to unblock h2 for a possible Bh2# if black answers Re3. As for Black's King, he's cornered anyways through diagonals from white's bishops and queen. I think the interesting thing lies on how Black can answer, given that any move blank can make will create a line or diagonal block from other of its pieces (either rooks, or bishop), allowing white a better take on the board dominion, and thus cover the missing squares for mate...You can even wikipedia this...(it's not that I'm super smart ;).

Nytik
scorpion_ve wrote:

Well, whether it is zugzwang or not it's debatable. 


It is zugzwang as if black does not have to move, he can stay alive for a further move. However, he MUST put himself into a mate-in-1 and thus his position could be said to be worsened.

Nytik
dnleary wrote:

how about: Kf2 followed by e3#, and if(...Rxe2, NxR#) and (...Bh4+, RxB#)


What is your reply to 1... Bg5.

hanngo

it is Rh1!

this is a famous mate in 2 puzzle

TilemahosG

It's a mate in 2.

Black is in a zugzwang position. All pieces on the back rank are well placed together, but they can't hold this position forever. So, white need a waiting move and then the back rank of black's pieces falls apart. So 1. Rh1!?! After that move black's pieces looks poisoned. If the pawn moves (c3) then the Knight can bring the mate (Nd3#). If a rook goes to e6 or f7 or bishop captures bishop (Bxf7) then the diagonal of the light-squared bishop (g8-d5) is free so the Knight can bring the mate (Nd5#). The same happens if a rook goes to e7 o or f6 or the bishop captures the knight (Bxc7), in which case, white can mate with the rook (Rh4#). If black responds with Rf5, then white plays Qxf5#. If black plays Re4 then white responds with fxe4#. And finally, if white plays Re3, white can mate with the bishop (Bh2#).

The special with this puzzle is that white can mate after a waiting move cause black's position (although avoiding mate) can't be broken. In order to brake this position, white needs the waiting move Rh1!!!

TilemahosG

I didn't see your move list Lycan, so I think you cought me up. Good puzzle!

Lord-Chaos

Rh1??? thats mate in 3 because black can play Bh4!

Lord-Chaos

oh right never mind thanks lycan. But cant black jsut move his pawn o.O then we need another waiting move.