@Frankdawg Come to think of it, after your posted analysis, it looks like not a very good idea to take with the rook, better for the rook to wait there and die. Meanwhile black can prepare some counterplay.
The rook will not die. After Nxd7 ...Rxd3 cxd3 ...Kxd7, the pawn on c5 is lost.
a) There's no pawn on c5, b) I was talking about black's response to Ne4.
I mean f5. b) response: okay
It is not even ! let alone !! It is the most obvious move there. Sorry to be a killjoy but !! is something I would put next to no move I have ever played in any game and I have been playing 33 years. !! is reserved for Mikhail Tal and the like. It denotes an absolutely absurd looking brilliancy. ! itself would mean a move that was surprisingly good not just routinely accurate.
totally agree, ne4 would be the only move any decent player would play
It is not even ! let alone !! It is the most obvious move there. Sorry to be a killjoy but !! is something I would put next to no move I have ever played in any game and I have been playing 33 years. !! is reserved for Mikhail Tal and the like. It denotes an absolutely absurd looking brilliancy. ! itself would mean a move that was surprisingly good not just routinely accurate.
totally agree, ne4 would be the only move any decent player would play
OK, I just used !! to denote a very strong move in the game. Opening books do that all the time for sharp positions.
What opening books have you been reading?
What opening books have you been reading?
"Fundamental Chess Openings" by Paul van der Sterren. I guess he's not far from what's going on with other books.
Yea, plenty is completely right on this one
Yea, plenty is completely right on this one
OK, I admit that "!!" was meant to create some hype too. After all, I couldn't find a better title for the puzzle.
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Would you guys give this move at least a "!" I think it might even deserve a "!!", especially in blitz :P
What does this move accomplish? I think it's a simple pawn push in a kingside attack.
it accomplishes plenty. If black takes it
Qxh8 Kxh8
Rxg7 Kg7
Rag7 Kf6
Rxe8
the exchange being white's queen and pawn for black's queen, rook and bishop
If he doesn't take it, black is still in a whole lot of trouble. White is kinda threatening a mate in three with
gxf6...
Qg1+ (or Qg5+) kf8
Qg7#
which can be easily be detered with Kf8 (probably blacks best move), however that leaves the bishop weak, the king trapped, white's got the momemtum and position, black has nothing
My point is that the move is quite typical and it is expectable it's gona lead to a lot of problems for black since white's attack is in such an advanced stage.
I think the correct idea for the attack is the calm f6, or gxf in case black does not take, putting a pawn on f6 and making things a lot simpler.
Okay,but where is the "!!" move? Is it Rh8#?
Okay,but where is the "!!" move? Is it Rh8#?
I was just improving stubborn_d0nkey's plan. I don't think there's a specific move that deserves an exclam.
I understand what you mean but it is only as I said "routinely accurate" - I felt no surprise when I saw it, it is not deep nor clever. If I missed that even in a blitz game I would be kicking myself. I am not trying to be a troll here, I know what gets a ! and what gets a !! and this is not even close. There is no relative value for player strength when allocating indicators like !?, ?, !, etc - they are about how objectively unusual and strong/weak they are.
Yeah but, thats cos you're only 1700 FIDE...
I have to admit that concerning my move "!!" was an exaggeration caused by enthusiasm. I'm pretty sure it can get a "!" though.
My analysis engine does not think Ne4 is a winning move. It is the only move that does not lose, but it leaves an equal position.
Black should respond 1.. Ke7, after which Nxd6 is not the best move for white, the rook can wait. Start with Qc3.
Well, the point is that it's a clever move (in that it acts both as defence and attack in quite a complex position). I'm impressed though that the analysis showed that Ke7 was the best response for black. It confirms the idea that I expressed in post 9 that moving the rook is probably not the best think black can do. Thanks for the analysis!