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Thepasswordis1234
Zunayed_781038 wrote:

Why can't the black knight be captured?

look carefully, the pieces are flipped

Thepasswordis1234

fine

Thepasswordis1234
Thepasswordis1234

NOTE: there are actually pieces on the board: they are just in blindfold mode.

EDIT: Mate in 3 by the way

KlekleLegacy
Black to play and draw.
snandorthegreat

Proof game - This is the position after white’s 7th move. How did the game go? (There’s only one solution)

bald55
JakimPL
snandorthegreat wrote:

Proof game - This is the position after white’s 7th move. How did the game go? (There’s only one solution)

That was tough. I was able to get this position in 8 moves, not 7. Or with black pawn at e6 instead e5. Wasted around several hours to crack this.

But, eventually, I've got this:

Cool puzzle. By the way, how do you know that there is only one solution?

snandorthegreat
JakimPL wrote:
snandorthegreat wrote:

Proof game - This is the position after white’s 7th move. How did the game go? (There’s only one solution)

That was tough. I was able to get this position in 8 moves, not 7. Or with black pawn at e6 instead e5. Wasted around several hours to crack this.

But, eventually, I've got this:

Cool puzzle. By the way, how do you know that there is only one solution?

Congrats!

I’m not 100% sure there’s only one solution as I don’t have any programs for this kind of stuff, (though I am pretty darn sure), but I can share how I know this solution only has one move order.

  1. h4 must occur before h5, h5 before h6, etc
  2. e6 must occur before any black dark-squared bishop moves and before e5
  3. the black dark-squared bishop has must move in it’s exact pattern to capture everything and then be captured
  4. e5 cannot occur elsewhere in the puzzle, as the white dark-squared bishop could not traverse the a1-h8 diagonal
  5. e5 cannot occur in one move, because… let me show you.

Suppose we tried to create this puzzle with 1… e5 instead of 1… e6 and 6… e5. To fill in black’s now missing move, let’s add in an extra dark-squared bishop move, to waste time. If we try, it simply does not work.

And here lies the problem. Normally, white would play 6… Bxb2, but the bishop is still on c1. Thus, white has no move to complete the problem in 6.5 moves.

KieferSmith

Another proof game challenge.

JakimPL
snandorthegreat wrote:

Suppose we tried to create this puzzle with 1… e5 instead of 1… e6 and 6… e5. To fill in black’s now missing move, let’s add in an extra dark-squared bishop move, to waste time. If we try, it simply does not work.

And here lies the problem. Normally, white would play 6… Bxb2, but the bishop is still on c1. Thus, white has no move to complete the problem in 6.5 moves.

Yeah, the most non-trivial thing is e5 thing. I thought so but, formally, this needs a proof or exhausting brute force because, theoretically, e3-e5 move could be the last black move.

I checked using the latter method that there is no solution in a classical way, moving only:

1. b/h pawns and the dark-squared bishop
2. e/g pawns, the dark-squared bishop and the queen

without advancing pawns more than 2 squares from the beginning.

@KieferSmith, any requirements to the number of moves/who's to play in the final position? Otherwise it is quite simple.

KieferSmith

It is white to move

Whoever finds the fastest proof game wins

snandorthegreat
JakimPL wrote:
snandorthegreat wrote:

Suppose we tried to create this puzzle with 1… e5 instead of 1… e6 and 6… e5. To fill in black’s now missing move, let’s add in an extra dark-squared bishop move, to waste time. If we try, it simply does not work.

And here lies the problem. Normally, white would play 6… Bxb2, but the bishop is still on c1. Thus, white has no move to complete the problem in 6.5 moves.

Yeah, the most non-trivial thing is e5 thing. I thought so but, formally, this needs a proof or exhausting brute force because, theoretically, e3-e5 move could be the last black move.

I checked using the latter method that there is no solution in a classical way, moving only:

1. b/h pawns and the dark-squared bishop
2. e/g pawns, the dark-squared bishop and the queen

without advancing pawns more than 2 squares from the beginning.

@KieferSmith, any requirements to the number of moves/who's to play in the final position? Otherwise it is quite simple.

There’s also a program called Natch that automatically checks proof games using computer wizardry I don’t understand, but my computer is kind of full and I’m not deleting programs just for this one, let’s be honest pointless mission.

JakimPL
KieferSmith wrote:

It is white to move

Whoever finds the fastest proof game wins

First try, probably suboptimal:

Second try:

JakimPL
snandorthegreat wrote:

e5 cannot occur in one move, because… let me show you.

What about that one (another solution with e7-e5):

snandorthegreat
JakimPL wrote:
snandorthegreat wrote:

e5 cannot occur in one move, because… let me show you.

What about that one (another solution with e7-e5):

 

god. damnit.

alright, alright, fine. there are now two solutions.

KieferSmith

Next one! I got 30.

snandorthegreat

Definitely suboptimal, but I managed 26.

KieferSmith

Not suboptimal at all! I got 30, but only because I forgot rooks existed. happy.png

JakimPL

Still suboptimal, I believe. 18 is a theoretical lower bound (4 moves per each bishop, 3 moves per each knight, 4 pawn moves) but I don't know whether it is attained.