Mate in 25! 2000 ELO
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Oct 19, 2023
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Mate in 25 means it’s a forced mate in 25 moves, whatever the opponent plays. It’s not a mate in 25. It's also not 2000 Elo.
The only way to checkmate in 25 moves is when black plays multiple bad moves. For example
- On move 3, black should play Nxg4, not Bxg4
- On move 5. Black should play Bd7, not Bf5+
- On move 10, why would black play e2, instead of Nd7, Re5 or Rg4?
- On move 11, why would black play Bg4, instead of Nd7, Kg6 or Re5?
- On move 14. Bh5 instead of Bb2+?
But that not what makes this a bad puzzle. It just means it's not a mate in 25.
The biggest problem is what happens on move 21, where it becomes a very hard puzzle to solve. The hardest move to find is move 21. Qf7+, especially for geniuses.
- Your solution 21. Qf7+ leads to a mate in 5.
- But 21. Qh8+ is also a mate in 5.
- And 21. Qh6+ is also mate in 5.
- And 21. Qh4+ is also mate in 5.
Multiple solutions will frustrate players. Even when they are right, they can be wrong. They will have to keep trying until they find the solution you had in mind.
But it's worse.
- Because 21. Qd5 is a better solution, it’s a mate in 4.
- Just like 21. Rh7, also a mate in 4.
- As is 21. Qf3+, also mate in 4.
Not only are there (at least) three moves just as good as your solution, there are three solutions that are better than your solution of Qf7+.
But it's even worse.
- Playing 21. Qg4 is even better than the last three
Not only are there (at least) three moves just as good as your solution, there are four (4!) better than your solution of Qf7+.
But it's still worse than that.
- The best move is actually 21. Rf7+, mate in 2, leading to a checkmate 3 moves faster than your solution of Qf7+.
There are five (5!) solutions better than yours and about 3 to 4 that are just as good as your solution.
Do you have any idea how long it would take a player to solve your puzzle like this? How much time will be spent not on the actual solution, but instead on trying to find your solution?
You really don’t have enough understanding of chess to be making puzzles. It's not likely any super genius will be compelled by puzzles created by a player with an Elo rating of 300. But still, I strongly urge you to stop making them.
Duckfest wrote:
Mate in 25 means it’s a forced mate in 25 moves, whatever the opponent plays. It’s not a mate in 25. It's also not 2000 Elo.
The only way to checkmate in 25 moves is when black plays multiple bad moves. For example
- On move 3, black should play Nxg4, not Bxg4
- On move 5. Black should play Bd7, not Bf5+
- On move 10, why would black play e2, instead of Nd7, Re5 or Rg4?
- On move 11, why would black play Bg4, instead of Nd7, Kg6 or Re5?
- On move 14. Bh5 instead of Bb2+?
But that not what makes this a bad puzzle. It just means it's not a mate in 25.
The biggest problem is what happens on move 21, where it becomes a very hard puzzle to solve. The hardest move to find is move 21. Qf7+, especially for geniuses.
- Your solution 21. Qf7+ leads to a mate in 5.
- But 21. Qh8+ is also a mate in 5.
- And 21. Qh6+ is also mate in 5.
- And 21. Qh4+ is also mate in 5.
Multiple solutions will frustrate players. Even when they are right, they can be wrong. They will have to keep trying until they find the solution you had in mind.
But it's worse.
- Because 21. Qd5 is a better solution, it’s a mate in 4.
- Just like 21. Rh7, also a mate in 4.
- As is 21. Qf3+, also mate in 4.
Not only are there (at least) three moves just as good as your solution, there are three solutions that are better than your solution of Qf7+.
But it's even worse.
- Playing 21. Qg4 is even better than the last three
Not only are there (at least) three moves just as good as your solution, there are four (4!) better than your solution of Qf7+.
But it's still worse than that.
- The best move is actually 21. Rf7+, mate in 2, leading to a checkmate 3 moves faster than your solution of Qf7+.
There are five (5!) solutions better than yours and about 3 to 4 that are just as good as your solution.
Do you have any idea how long it would take a player to solve your puzzle like this? How much time will be spent not on the actual solution, but instead on trying to find your solution?
You really don’t have enough understanding of chess to be making puzzles. It's not likely any super genius will be compelled by puzzles created by a player with an Elo rating of 300. But still, I strongly urge you to stop making them.
Way to use lots of bullet [points] and protect the puzzle continuum from contamination. The minute our vigilance even slightly relaxes, we're left with the anarchy of any chucklehead posting whatever diagram they want and calling it anything. 😏
@BigDoggProblem it's using stockfish 16, so how can it get so wrong!
@Duckfest I will not stop posting puzzles. I have made one more and don't say its inaccurate.its forced
@Duckfest this puzzle is made with stockfish 16 suggestions, so I think the suggestion of a 4000+ elo is better than you.